In the past I would just enter "users" in the "To " space and would get the list entry users@lists.fedoraproject.org. Somehow that now gets attached to send to a person instead of the list. Have to explicitly type in the list address. Is there a fix?
Thunderbird keeps continually telling me it wants to compact the mails storage for what is a trivial amount of space, Is there a way to make it use a reasonable size to do the prompt?
I set the font size to small but it always reverts to medium, where would a permanent setting be located?
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 00:12 -0400, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
In the past I would just enter "users" in the "To " space and would get the list entry users@lists.fedoraproject.org. Somehow that now gets attached to send to a person instead of the list. Have to explicitly type in the list address. Is there a fix?
I would suggest trying setting an entry in the address book for the list, I'd expect that to take priority over some kind of auto- completion of an address it's found in a folder. Check your address book hasn't acquired a "users" entry. Some email clients (optionally) automatically add addresses to the address book when you reply to a message. If so, remove or alter it.
You could set your own unique name for the address in the address book if you can't stop it auto-completing users to the wrong address.
e.g. FU could be Fedora Users. ;-)
Thunderbird keeps continually telling me it wants to compact the mails storage for what is a trivial amount of space, Is there a way to make it use a reasonable size to do the prompt?
If you right-click on a folder, are there options for this?
I probably have an old version installed, but I only see options about deleting old messages (by age, or by the number of messages in the folder). Though, I only use IMAP, and local storage is caching rather than storage, so I may see different options than for other schemes.
But in the main settings there is a sub-section about disk space, that sound like they might offer what you want:
Disk Space
Your cache is currently using 330 KB of disk space
[ ] Override automatic cache management Use up to [250] MB of space for the cache
[✔] Compact all folders when it will save over [20] MB in total [✔] Ask every time before compacting
I set the font size to small but it always reverts to medium, where would a permanent setting be located?
Where are you setting this? When reading a message, or in general settings? I'd expect in the settings to be a permanent setting, but overrides in the reader may be transient.
There are options for allowing messages to use other fonts, and different fonts for different alphabets. You may have a HTML email specifying certain font sizes overriding your preferences.
On 9/29/23 21:12, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
In the past I would just enter "users" in the "To " space and would get the list entry users@lists.fedoraproject.org. Somehow that now gets attached to send to a person instead of the list. Have to explicitly type in the list address. Is there a fix?
That still works for me. Maybe you replied to one of the people that gets aliased. Check your addressbox.
Thunderbird keeps continually telling me it wants to compact the mails storage for what is a trivial amount of space, Is there a way to make it use a reasonable size to do the prompt?
I don't know what the trigger is, but you could check the box so it doesn't ask you every time.
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 00:12 -0400, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
Thunderbird keeps continually telling me it wants to compact the mails storage for what is a trivial amount of space, Is there a way to make it use a reasonable size to do the prompt?
I don't use Thunderbird, but is this a POP account being stored in Mbox format? If you want to keep using POP, a better alternative is to keep your mail in Maildir format (which I assume TB supports). That never needs compacting.
poc
On 9/30/23 08:04, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 00:12 -0400, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
Thunderbird keeps continually telling me it wants to compact the mails storage for what is a trivial amount of space, Is there a way to make it use a reasonable size to do the prompt?
I don't use Thunderbird, but is this a POP account being stored in Mbox format? If you want to keep using POP, a better alternative is to keep your mail in Maildir format (which I assume TB supports). That never needs compacting.
The compacting is for the local storage. Maildir is server-side behind the mail server.
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 14:07 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/30/23 08:04, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 00:12 -0400, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
Thunderbird keeps continually telling me it wants to compact the mails storage for what is a trivial amount of space, Is there a way to make it use a reasonable size to do the prompt?
I don't use Thunderbird, but is this a POP account being stored in Mbox format? If you want to keep using POP, a better alternative is to keep your mail in Maildir format (which I assume TB supports). That never needs compacting.
The compacting is for the local storage. Maildir is server-side behind the mail server.
Evolution uses Maildir for local storage. Do you mean that TB doesn't support that?
poc
On 9/30/23 14:13, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 14:07 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/30/23 08:04, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 00:12 -0400, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
Thunderbird keeps continually telling me it wants to compact the mails storage for what is a trivial amount of space, Is there a way to make it use a reasonable size to do the prompt?
I don't use Thunderbird, but is this a POP account being stored in Mbox format? If you want to keep using POP, a better alternative is to keep your mail in Maildir format (which I assume TB supports). That never needs compacting.
The compacting is for the local storage. Maildir is server-side behind the mail server.
Evolution uses Maildir for local storage. Do you mean that TB doesn't support that?
As far as I know, there aren't any options for local storage.
On 9/30/23 14:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 09/30/2023 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
As far as I know, there aren't any options for local storage.
If you use POP3 as I do, all mail is stored in local storage. You can have it left on the server so that you can download it onto another box, but you don't have to.
I mean there are no options for what type of storage Thunderbird uses for local storage. It only has the format Mozilla has always used, which I think is something like mbox with an index.
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 14:43 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/30/23 14:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 09/30/2023 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
As far as I know, there aren't any options for local storage.
If you use POP3 as I do, all mail is stored in local storage. You can have it left on the server so that you can download it onto another box, but you don't have to.
I mean there are no options for what type of storage Thunderbird uses for local storage. It only has the format Mozilla has always used, which I think is something like mbox with an index.
That explains the "compacting". Mbox has one file per mail folder, and leaves holes when mails are deleted, so the mbox file doesn't actually shrink until it's copied and renamed, i.e. "compacted". This can cause issues with locking, especially if the mbox is on a remote mount. Maildir is a better solution which has no locking issues and doesn't require compacting.
I'm sure you know all this, but others may not.
poc
On 10/1/2023 5:51 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 14:43 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/30/23 14:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 09/30/2023 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
As far as I know, there aren't any options for local storage.
I mean there are no options for what type of storage Thunderbird uses
for local storage. It only has the format Mozilla has always used, which I think is something like mbox with an index.
mbox is the default, but you can select Maildir when you create the account, at least when you are using imap.
That explains the "compacting". Mbox has one file per mail folder, and leaves holes when mails are deleted, so the mbox file doesn't actually shrink until it's copied and renamed, i.e. "compacted". This can cause issues with locking, especially if the mbox is on a remote mount. Maildir is a better solution which has no locking issues and doesn't require compacting.
I'm sure you know all this, but others may not.
poc
On Sun, 2023-10-01 at 13:43 -0400, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/1/2023 5:51 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 14:43 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/30/23 14:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 09/30/2023 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
As far as I know, there aren't any options for local storage.
I mean there are no options for what type of storage Thunderbird uses
for local storage. It only has the format Mozilla has always used, which I think is something like mbox with an index.
mbox is the default, but you can select Maildir when you create the account, at least when you are using imap.
Good to know. I would have been surprised if TB didn't support it, though there's no reason it should be restricted to IMAP.
poc
On 10/1/23 10:43, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/1/2023 5:51 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 14:43 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/30/23 14:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 09/30/2023 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
As far as I know, there aren't any options for local storage.
I mean there are no options for what type of storage Thunderbird uses
for local storage. It only has the format Mozilla has always used, which I think is something like mbox with an index.
mbox is the default, but you can select Maildir when you create the account, at least when you are using imap.
I've never seen any options like that and still don't when I tried it again.
On 10/1/2023 6:31 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/1/23 10:43, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/1/2023 5:51 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 14:43 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/30/23 14:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 09/30/2023 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
As far as I know, there aren't any options for local storage.
I mean there are no options for what type of storage Thunderbird uses
for local storage. It only has the format Mozilla has always used, which I think is something like mbox with an index.
mbox is the default, but you can select Maildir when you create the account, at least when you are using imap.
I've never seen any options like that and still don't when I tried it again.
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
I changed that to maildir before I created any accounts, and everything is maildir.
I am currently on 115, but I set this up in an earlier unknown version.
Lester Petrie
On 10/2/23 14:13, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/1/2023 6:31 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/1/23 10:43, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/1/2023 5:51 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2023-09-30 at 14:43 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 9/30/23 14:40, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 09/30/2023 03:18 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > As far as I know, there aren't any options for local storage. I mean there are no options for what type of storage Thunderbird uses
for local storage. It only has the format Mozilla has always used, which I think is something like mbox with an index.
mbox is the default, but you can select Maildir when you create the account, at least when you are using imap.
I've never seen any options like that and still don't when I tried it again.
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
Oh, nice! I didn't realize how far down that preferences page went. Too bad it requires redoing the account, but it might be worth it.
On 10/2/23 16:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 14:13, Lester Petrie wrote:
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
Oh, nice! I didn't realize how far down that preferences page went. Too bad it requires redoing the account, but it might be worth it.
After a bunch of searching, I discovered that you don't have to redo the account. There's a secret setting that lets you migrate the data: mail.store_conversion_enabled If you set that to true, it will let you change the message store type in the server settings.
On 10/2/2023 8:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 16:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 14:13, Lester Petrie wrote:
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
Oh, nice! I didn't realize how far down that preferences page went. Too bad it requires redoing the account, but it might be worth it.
After a bunch of searching, I discovered that you don't have to redo the account. There's a secret setting that lets you migrate the data: mail.store_conversion_enabled If you set that to true, it will let you change the message store type in the server settings. _______________________________________________
Thanks for finding that!
On 10/3/23 09:33, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/2/2023 8:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 16:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 14:13, Lester Petrie wrote:
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
Oh, nice! I didn't realize how far down that preferences page went. Too bad it requires redoing the account, but it might be worth it.
After a bunch of searching, I discovered that you don't have to redo the account. There's a secret setting that lets you migrate the data: mail.store_conversion_enabled If you set that to true, it will let you change the message store type in the server settings. _______________________________________________
Thanks for finding that!
+1
On 4/10/23 03:33, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/2/2023 8:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 16:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 14:13, Lester Petrie wrote:
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
In Edit->Account Settings there is a configuration page for "Local Folders" where under "Message Storage" you can set the "Message Store Type" to either "Mbox" or "Maildir", which a different specification to the same thing under "Server Settings" which as I understand it applies to the Inbox. As far as I am aware both of these configurations are available irrespective of whether you are using POP3 or IMAP. Also from memory I think you can change the "Local Folders" specification and Thunderbird will reformat the Local Folders on the fly. I have swapped backwards and forwards between these two specifications particularly when Thunderbird had the issue of Cross Linking emails.
regards, Steve
Oh, nice! I didn't realize how far down that preferences page went. Too bad it requires redoing the account, but it might be worth it.
After a bunch of searching, I discovered that you don't have to redo the account. There's a secret setting that lets you migrate the data: mail.store_conversion_enabled If you set that to true, it will let you change the message store type in the server settings. _______________________________________________
Thanks for finding that!
On 10/3/23 15:00, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 4/10/23 03:33, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/2/2023 8:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 16:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 14:13, Lester Petrie wrote:
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
In Edit->Account Settings there is a configuration page for "Local Folders" where under "Message Storage" you can set the "Message Store Type" to either "Mbox" or "Maildir", which a different specification to the same thing under "Server Settings" which as I understand it applies to the Inbox. As far as I am aware both of these configurations are available irrespective of whether you are using POP3 or IMAP. Also from memory I think you can change the "Local Folders" specification and Thunderbird will reformat the Local Folders on the fly. I have swapped backwards and forwards between these two specifications particularly when Thunderbird had the issue of Cross Linking emails.
The "Local Folders" setting is for folders outside of any network account, but it also can't be changed unless you change that setting I gave.
On 4/10/23 09:05, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/3/23 15:00, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 4/10/23 03:33, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/2/2023 8:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 16:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 14:13, Lester Petrie wrote:
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
In Edit->Account Settings there is a configuration page for "Local Folders" where under "Message Storage" you can set the "Message Store Type" to either "Mbox" or "Maildir", which a different specification to the same thing under "Server Settings" which as I understand it applies to the Inbox. As far as I am aware both of these configurations are available irrespective of whether you are using POP3 or IMAP. Also from memory I think you can change the "Local Folders" specification and Thunderbird will reformat the Local Folders on the fly. I have swapped backwards and forwards between these two specifications particularly when Thunderbird had the issue of Cross Linking emails.
The "Local Folders" setting is for folders outside of any network account, but it also can't be changed unless you change that setting I gave.
That's interesting, I thought I had changed the configuration and had Thunderbird reformat the folders without touching that setting that you gave because I didn't know that setting existed until now. I'm also using the upstream version of Thunderbird, and always have done, so maybe that setting is on by default in the upstream version?
regards, Steve
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On 4/10/23 09:05, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/3/23 15:00, Stephen Morris wrote:
On 4/10/23 03:33, Lester Petrie wrote:
On 10/2/2023 8:01 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 16:32, Samuel Sieb wrote:
On 10/2/23 14:13, Lester Petrie wrote:
In my thunderbird, in settings/general the last group of entries is Indexing.
The second entry is Message Store Type for new accounts: which is File per folder(mbox)
This can be set to File per message (maildir)
In Edit->Account Settings there is a configuration page for "Local Folders" where under "Message Storage" you can set the "Message Store Type" to either "Mbox" or "Maildir", which a different specification to the same thing under "Server Settings" which as I understand it applies to the Inbox. As far as I am aware both of these configurations are available irrespective of whether you are using POP3 or IMAP. Also from memory I think you can change the "Local Folders" specification and Thunderbird will reformat the Local Folders on the fly. I have swapped backwards and forwards between these two specifications particularly when Thunderbird had the issue of Cross Linking emails.
The "Local Folders" setting is for folders outside of any network account, but it also can't be changed unless you change that setting I gave.
Just further to my previous email, I have checked my Thunderbird configuration and the setting you mentioned is active without me having touched it, so it looks like in the upstream Daily version of Thunderbird it is active by default.
regards, Steve
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On 30/9/23 14:12, Robert McBroom via users wrote:
In the past I would just enter "users" in the "To " space and would get the list entry users@lists.fedoraproject.org. Somehow that now gets attached to send to a person instead of the list. Have to explicitly type in the list address. Is there a fix?
Thunderbird keeps continually telling me it wants to compact the mails storage for what is a trivial amount of space, Is there a way to make it use a reasonable size to do the prompt?
In Edit->Settings->General->Disk Space there is a check box to specify that you want folders compacted and the amount of space to be saved before compacting will happen. As a sub-entry to this there is a checkbox for specifying that you want to be prompted each time.
I set the font size to small but it always reverts to medium, where would a permanent setting be located?
Also in Edit->Settings->General->Fonts & Colours is a setting to specify the default font and the font size. I would assume this is what is used for plain text mails and is used for html mails if the html doesn't specify the font and size to use, or the font the html specifies doesn't exist on your system. Also in Edit->Settings->Composition->HTML Style is a specification for the font and font size for composing html mails. In my configuration it is set to "Variable Width" and "Medium". Based on this if someone sends a mail in html format with this setting then I assume that is how it will display regardless of what you have set in "Fonts & Colours". There is also a checkbox to specify that you want to use Paragraph format instead of Body Text by default when composing a mail, I don't have this checked as I don't like "Paragraph Format" inserting a blank line when I hit "Enter" when writing an email.
regards, Steve
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