i normally set my FC1 computer to boot to graphical blue-curve login screen, as i do most everything from the gnome desktop anyhow.
1.) from the graphical login screen how do i "kill" the graphical componet to get to an old-fashioned text-only login prompt?
2.) from the gnome desktop ctrl-del-backspace (or ctrl-alt-backspace, whatever forget right now) usually causes some sort of weird sleep mode or something. 2a.) why doesn't it work as expected and just bring me to an old style prompt, sans x-windows? 2b) is there an alternative to this altered form of the three finger salute?
thanks,
javac at mail dot com
On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 00:14, javac@mail.com wrote:
i normally set my FC1 computer to boot to graphical blue-curve login screen, as i do most everything from the gnome desktop anyhow.
1.) from the graphical login screen how do i "kill" the graphical componet to get to an old-fashioned text-only login prompt?
Should be able to do a ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a text console. To get back to the graphical console do a ctrl-alt-F7.
2.) from the gnome desktop ctrl-del-backspace (or ctrl-alt-backspace, whatever forget right now) usually causes some sort of weird sleep mode or something. 2a.) why doesn't it work as expected and just bring me to an old style prompt, sans x-windows? 2b) is there an alternative to this altered form of the three finger salute?
Don't know this one. Someone else will have to field this.
On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 14:14, javac@mail.com wrote:
2.) from the gnome desktop ctrl-del-backspace (or ctrl-alt-backspace, whatever forget right now) usually causes some sort of weird sleep mode or something. 2a.) why doesn't it work as expected and just bring me to an old style prompt, sans x-windows?
Ctrl-Alt-BckSpce is used to restart the X Server not kill it. If you want to get to a text prompt either login on a VT (Ctrl-alt-Vt[1-6]) or run 'init 3' as root to switch to run level 3 from your X session. 'init 5' to start up X again.
2b) is there an alternative to this altered form of the three finger salute?
Not sure what you mean. You think Ctrl-Alt-BSpce is an altered form of Ctrl-Alt-Del? They perform two different functions. c-a-b restarts X, c-a-d restarts the computer.
Matt
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It would appear that on Sun, 04 Jul 2004, Matt Hansen did say:
On Sun, 2004-07-04 at 14:14, javac@mail.com wrote:
2.) from the gnome desktop ctrl-del-backspace (or ctrl-alt-backspace,
whatever forget right
now) usually causes some sort of weird sleep mode or something. 2a.) why doesn't it work as expected and just bring me to an old style
prompt, sans x-windows?
Ctrl-Alt-BckSpce is used to restart the X Server not kill it. If you want to get to a text prompt either login on a VT (Ctrl-alt-Vt[1-6]) or run 'init 3' as root to switch to run level 3 from your X session. 'init 5' to start up X again.
2b) is there an alternative to this altered form of the three finger
salute?
Not sure what you mean. You think Ctrl-Alt-BSpce is an altered form of Ctrl-Alt-Del? They perform two different functions. c-a-b restarts X, c-a-d restarts the computer.
Hmmm perhaps ctrl-alt-backspace restarts X when you start up in runlevel 5 but when you start up in runlevel 3 and use startx to fire up the gui, ctrl-alt-backspace causes X to shut down while complaining about losing the connection to the x server, and dumps you back in runlevel 3 in the still running shell from which you did the startx command. At least thats how it's always worked for me. I'm guessing that if there isn't a parent shell to fall back to when X is reset, it automatically restarts. But that if its a child process of a shell, the parent shell resumes instead?
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On Mon, 5 Jul 2004 02:15:09 -0400, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook wrote
Hmmm perhaps ctrl-alt-backspace restarts X when you start up in runlevel 5 but when you start up in runlevel 3 and use startx to fire up the gui, ctrl-alt-backspace causes X to shut down while complaining about losing the connection to the x server, and dumps you back in runlevel 3 in the still running shell from which you did the startx command. At least thats how it's always worked for me. I'm guessing that if there isn't a parent shell to fall back to when X is reset, it automatically restarts. But that if its a child process of a shell, the parent shell resumes instead?
When you are in runlevel 5, the X server is a child process of an X display manager (either xdm, gdm, or kdm, dependant on system configuration). This process watches for the X server exiting and automatically restarts it.
When you press CTRL-ALT-BS in runlevel 5, the same thing is happening as in runlevel 3 -- the X server itself is actually shutting down and exiting. The X server appears to "restart itself" but what's actually happening is the display manager starting a new X server instance.
In runlevel 3, there is no display manager running so when the X server exits, it must be restarted manually (from the command line prompt like was used to start the previous instance).
Hope this is useful information!
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It would appear that on Jul 7, Christofer C. Bell did say:
When you are in runlevel 5, the X server is a child process of an X display manager (either xdm, gdm, or kdm, dependant on system configuration). This process watches for the X server exiting and automatically restarts it.
When you press CTRL-ALT-BS in runlevel 5, the same thing is happening as in runlevel 3 -- the X server itself is actually shutting down and exiting. The X server appears to "restart itself" but what's actually happening is the display manager starting a new X server instance.
In runlevel 3, there is no display manager running so when the X server exits, it must be restarted manually (from the command line prompt like was used to start the previous instance).
Hope this is useful information!
It confirms and clarifies what I thought... either way, the parent process resumes when the child dies. And in run level 5, the parent process appears to be in an infinite loop of restarting the xserver when it resumes... In run level 3, the parent process is usually a command shell that waits for the next user command. (Though I imagine one could build a wrapper script that calls startx from a loop. But I can't see any advantage to that!)
I just know that the only other "clean" way of closing the xserver so fast as when a runlevel 3, startx session gets the ctrl+alt+bs is the poweroff command... I have to presume that applications get less opportunity to save data than with logout. But so far I've not lost any data to it...
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javac@mail.com kirjoitti viestissään (lähetysaika sunnuntai, 4. heinäkuuta 2004 07:14):
1.) from the graphical login screen how do i "kill" the graphical componet to get to an old-fashioned text-only login prompt?
Ctrl-Alt-F1, login as root, "telinit 3".
2.) from the gnome desktop ctrl-del-backspace (or ctrl-alt-backspace, whatever forget right now) usually causes some sort of weird sleep mode or something.
Some motherboards use Ctrl-Alt-Backspace for entering sleep mode. See the BIOS setup and try to disable any power saving options.
2a.) why doesn't it work as expected and just bring me to an old style prompt, sans x-windows?
In runlevel 5 X should immediately restart and give you the graphical login screen.
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