4:04 p.m.
Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible
with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9??
Thank you dan
9:48 a.m.
On Monday 06 October 2008 21:04, Dan wrote:
Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible
with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9??
I've had experience with all three vendors, nVidia, ATI and Intel, with
various versions of Fedora. But I have no other resource of information, so
you should assume the "AFAIK" for every sentence below.
nVidia --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically
reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the
open-source nv driver (made by nVidia and provided by default in Fedora)
which works ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source
drivers, only nVidia-supplied binary drivers (I use the Livna rpm packages,
but they are all more or less the same).
ATI --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically
reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the
open-source radeon driver (provided by default in Fedora) which works less
than ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers
(yes , ATI DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS, contrary to what people
usually say), only ATI-supplied binary drivers which are usually completely
broken and unusable.
Intel --- satisfactory 2D performance, visibly inferior 3D performance. The
glxgears tool typically reports hunderds of fps (compared to thousands of
nVidia and ATI), provided the 3D driver. For both 2D and 3D there is the open
source driver which is provided by default in Fedora and works
out-of-the-box.
Bottom-line:
If you go nVidia --- you get superb graphics quality, but be prepared to
install a binary-only 3D driver. It will usually Just Work (there were some
reports of random memory leakage and such, but I believe that is fixed by
now). Be prepared to find the 3D failing for a couple of days whenever you
install a new kernel --- it takes some time for nVidia guys to adjust the
driver to the new kernel API (if it is changed) and some time for the Livna
guys to recompile that and push to updates. This time usually totals to 2-3
days after the kernel update (and during that time you might use the old
kernel no problem).
If you go Intel --- you never ever worry about any drivers anything, it will
Just Work, 100%. However, be prepared to have not so perfect graphics. This
can be naked-eye-visible. For example, install compiz and activate several
performance-consuming effects. Open 10-15 windows simultaneously on 8
workspaces, and start rotating the cube (ok, it won't be a cube due to 8
faces :-) ...). The nVidia card will work smoothly, Intel will start choking
and jerking. Reduce to 4-5 windows, they both work smoothly. Being fond of
eye-candy, and a lot of open windows, I witness this (and hate it) on a daily
basis.
If you go ATI --- hmmm... well... just don't go ATI. I have an ATI Radeon
X1550, have no 3D, while 2D sucks to the level that I cannot play a movie in
fullscreen. There are no usable drivers, and this was typically the case
since the Fedora Core 1 times. The "open source support from ATI" exists only
for obsolete ATI cards, similar to the nv driver of nVidia. Binary only
drivers exist, but they usually Just Don't Work, contrary to nVidia drivers
that usually Just Work. I have never ever made compiz, googleearth or ppracer
work with an ATI card.
Whatever you choose, you'll have to allow for some compromise.
HTH, :-)
Marko
3:45 a.m.
On Tue, 2008-10-07 at 14:48 +0000, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Monday 06 October 2008 21:04, Dan wrote:
ATI --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically
reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the
open-source radeon driver (provided by default in Fedora) which works less
than ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers
(yes , ATI DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS, contrary to what people
usually say), only ATI-supplied binary drivers which are usually completely
broken and unusable.
I do have usable 3d acceleration for my ATI Mobility Radeon X1400 using the open source
radeon driver which is good enough for compositing and desktop effects. However, for me at
least, the driver does not seem to work properly with most 3D games such as Doom3 and
windows games run via wine. Quake3 on the other hands runs fine though. You will have to
update Fedora after installation to benefit from the new drivers and 3d acceleration.
It could be that is because of some of my settings in xorg.conf. I haven't really
looked into that as I don't use my laptop for playing games.
Furthermore, I do not know how well newer ATI cards work with Fedora.
12:16 a.m.
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 14:48:22 +0000,
Marko Vojinovic <vvmarko(a)panet.co.yu> wrote:
ATI --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically
reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the
open-source radeon driver (provided by default in Fedora) which works less
than ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers
(yes , ATI DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS, contrary to what people
usually say), only ATI-supplied binary drivers which are usually completely
broken and unusable.
Older (r200s) ATI cards have had open source 3d drivers for a few years.
I can play the native linux version of Neverwinter Nights reasonably
with my Radeon 9200.
The newer cards are getting 3d support now. I had an r530 based card getting
3d acceleration in later f9 without a problem. In rawhide things are pretty
unstable because of the modeseting development going on, but the cards still
mostly work.
12:56 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 07, 2008 at 11:24:48AM -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
On Monday 06 October 2008 07:27:44 pm Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Dan <dan.steele.d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with
> > Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9??
> >
> > Thank you dan
>>> snip
> If I were buying something now, I'd look at Intel video cards and/or
> motherboards with built-in video from Intel. Several people have
> pointed out that Intel is actually engaged in open source research
> and some people say the 3D drivers for them are better. But I don't
> have any Intel devices to test.
>
> This page encourages me:
>
> http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm
>
> They give a list of cards, and I'd stay within that list if I were you.
>
> --
> Paul E. Johnson
> Professor, Political Science
> 1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504
> University of Kansas
Is there such a thing as an Intel video card? Or even a card using an Intel
chip? When I looked into this several years back, all that I was able to find
from Intel was a very high priced specialized card. I followed the link that
you provided above, and everything there seemed to refer to on-board chips.
I think most (all?) Intel video is integrated on the motherboard.
--
Chris Green
10:24 a.m.
On Monday 06 October 2008 07:27:44 pm Paul Johnson wrote:
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Dan <dan.steele.d(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible with
> Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9??
>
> Thank you dan
>> snip
If I were buying something now, I'd look at Intel video cards
and/or
motherboards with built-in video from Intel. Several people have
pointed out that Intel is actually engaged in open source research
and some people say the 3D drivers for them are better. But I don't
have any Intel devices to test.
This page encourages me:
http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm
They give a list of cards, and I'd stay within that list if I were you.
--
Paul E. Johnson
Professor, Political Science
1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504
University of Kansas
Is there such a thing as an Intel video card? Or even a card using an Intel
chip? When I looked into this several years back, all that I was able to find
from Intel was a very high priced specialized card. I followed the link that
you provided above, and everything there seemed to refer to on-board chips.
-- cmg
5:35 a.m.
On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:04:25 -0700
Dan <dan.steele.d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible
with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9??
If you want a system that just works and has usable 3D and effects (but
not brilliant gamer mega-polygon bloodfest 3D) then the Intel stuff
pretty much always just works as Intel have been working with the Linux
community for some time to make that happen.
ATI and VIA are now working with the community but they are coming in
late and post R300 ATI stuff is still a bit wobbly at times.
Nvidia don't seem to want to play so as a last resort there is an Nvidia
reverse engineering project producing drivers but that of course isn't a
great way to get the best driver code.
Alan
9:33 p.m.
--- On Tue, 10/7/08, suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: suvayu ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Video card
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
<fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008, 1:57 AM
Hello Dan,
As pointed out by Dennis the Hardware Compatibility List
maintained by
Fedora is out of date by 4 years. I am afraid your only
resource for this
kind of information is experiences of other users. The HCL
for other distros
are not any better off either specially when you are
searching for something
relatively new. Probably the gentoo wiki has the most upto
date list.
As for me, my experience with proprietary graphics drivers
(even the ones
repackaged by livna) have not been pretty. Although me
being a new linux
convert might have a lot to do with it. If you are
interested in something
better than the regular inbuilt graphics chips, I would
suggest you look in
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=category&item=Graphics%20Cards
Hope this helps
--
Suvayu
"the proof of the pudding is in the eating"
buy it, install it, if it doesn't work, get a refund
otherwise you can talk forever
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
--
fedora-list mailing list
fedora-list(a)redhat.com
To unsubscribe:
https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Guidelines:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
8:57 p.m.
Hello Dan,
As pointed out by Dennis the Hardware Compatibility List maintained by
Fedora is out of date by 4 years. I am afraid your only resource for this
kind of information is experiences of other users. The HCL for other distros
are not any better off either specially when you are searching for something
relatively new. Probably the gentoo wiki has the most upto date list.
As for me, my experience with proprietary graphics drivers (even the ones
repackaged by livna) have not been pretty. Although me being a new linux
convert might have a lot to do with it. If you are interested in something
better than the regular inbuilt graphics chips, I would suggest you look in
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=category&item=Graphics%20Cards
Hope this helps
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
7:48 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Paul Johnson <pauljohn32(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you think
the Fedora core users are going to help you very much with the choice
of video hardware or the development of software.
Indeed. It actually shocks me a little. Lots of things work, more and
more as time passes. But, it seems to me, lots of relatively common
things don't work. And reliable lists of working hardware are
difficult to cross-reference for things like which distro it
apparently worked on, or if they say so, it's relevant to FC2 or
something.
I, for example, have been trying to figure out if anybody has seen any
dual-head pci-x card work with Fedora out of the box. I pay pretty
close attention every time someone one the list brings up choosing
video hardware, but every solution seems to involve recompiling some
core system component or using binary drivers. And most don't get
anything to work until they've appeased the
Endlessly-Tweaking-Config-Files god.
I keep telling myself, "Someday!" And that someday seems closer all
the time, but as far as I can tell, it hasn't arrived yet.
*sigh*
6:27 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Dan <dan.steele.d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible
with
Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9??
Thank you dan
--
People ask this all the time, and never get a very helpful answer, I'm
afraid. This might sound mean, but you might learn from my
experience. I think you are barking up the wrong tree if you think
the Fedora core users are going to help you very much with the choice
of video hardware or the development of software.
I stopped using Fedora as my main desktop OS because releases
repeatedly broke the Nvidia or ATI drivers and there was an inevitable
period of searching and re-compiling and yelling about the fact that
the video card did not work right. In F9, the new xorg beta was used
and Nvidia did not have a driver ready. The "nv" driver was simply
full of trouble. It did not render lots of things properly for me and
I thought F9 was a total bust. As it has always been with RedHat &
Fedora, you have to find the "Nvidia" commercial driver from some
other source. Usually I've found the most help from livna.rpm. If the
Nvidia can work, they usually know how to make it. (When F9 was
released, I'd guess it was 2 or 3 weeks before there was an Nvidia
RPM. And if you let F9 upgrade to the latest kernel, you'll usually
have some excitement trying to rebuild the Nvidia video module to
match the kernel.) You'll note they currently have no offerings for
ATI on the livna site, and they do have a list of video cards that
they recommend you should not get.
As far as I can tell now, the test version of Nvidia does work pretty
well on a Dell Latitude D820 with the Nvidia Quadro. I also have some
dell workstations with older ATI Radeon X300 and getting a video
config that works on them with F9 has been trouble. The radeon driver
can display well enough in 2D, except for some random lines popping
out now and then. No 3D, as far as I can tell. If you google enough,
you'll find yourself to a "howto" that says you should uninstall the
xorg drivers from F9 and reinstall the ones from F8. I found that
unsatisfying, to say the least, but if you are a ATI owner, there may
be no choice.
If I were buying something now, I'd look at Intel video cards and/or
motherboards with built-in video from Intel. Several people have
pointed out that Intel is actually engaged in open source research
and some people say the 3D drivers for them are better. But I don't
have any Intel devices to test.
This page encourages me:
http://support.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/CS-010512.htm
They give a list of cards, and I'd stay within that list if I were you.
If you already have a video card and can't get it working in F9, you
might try a different Linux distribution. I've tried two options,
neither one quite perfect. One is to stay in the RPM framework, but
switch to Centos, which is more conservative and does not push ahead
of the software support. Centos is a free version of RedHat, and I'd
say it lags behind Fedora's kernel & video by at least a year. The
downside there is that the release maintainers still contend that they
have no responsibility for making sure that the proprietary drivers
will work. So you go off hunting for RPMs from some place on the
internet. You are likely to find them, however.
The only other alternative I've tried is to switch to the Ubuntu
distribution. The team there tries to co-ordinate with video
software, so when they have a release, they try to make sure they can
point you to a place where you can get video drivers. This site
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7895189911.html says they actually
include some proprietary drivers, but I have a recollection that they
did not install by default. I think I had to ask for a proprietary
repository during the install. There is a "linux-restricted-modules"
package...
--
Paul E. Johnson
Professor, Political Science
1541 Lilac Lane, Room 504
University of Kansas
4:37 p.m.
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 14:04:25 -0700,
Dan <dan.steele.d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible
with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9??
Do you care if the drivers are free?
Do you need high performance or mostly just reliability?
What kind of busses do you have to plug the card into?
What architecure is your machine?
Is it a desktop, laptop, handheld?
Anything else special about it that you need to work?
Personally I had good success with an AGP Radeon 9200 using Fedora 9.
(Rawhide Radeon support is iffy right now, but will probably be good again
by the release.) It isn't real high performance, but was economical, didn't
need an extra fan, was obtained for a fairly reasonable price and was able
to work with a free driver bundled with Fedora.
Of the more common players in the desktop area, Intel and AMD/ATI are providing
information that allows Fedora to support their video cards. nVidia is not.
nVidia supplies binary only drivers which imposes limitations on other
packages in Fedora.
9:15 a.m.
Marko Vojinovic wrote:
On Monday 06 October 2008 21:04, Dan wrote:
> Could you give me some names of Video cards that are most compatible
> with Fedora 9 and that have drivers for Fedora 9??
I've had experience with all three vendors, nVidia, ATI and Intel, with
various versions of Fedora. But I have no other resource of information,
so
you should assume the "AFAIK" for every sentence below.
nVidia --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically
reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the
open-source nv driver (made by nVidia and provided by default in Fedora)
which works ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source
drivers, only nVidia-supplied binary drivers (I use the Livna rpm
packages,
but they are all more or less the same).
ATI --- superb performance, both 2D and 3D. The glxgears tool typically
reports thousands of fps, provided the 3D driver. For 2D there is the
open-source radeon driver (provided by default in Fedora) which works less
than ok for its intended usage. For 3D there are no open source drivers
(yes , ATI DOES NOT SUPPORT 3D OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS, contrary to what
people
usually say), only ATI-supplied binary drivers which are usually
completely
broken and unusable.
Intel --- satisfactory 2D performance, visibly inferior 3D performance.
The
glxgears tool typically reports hunderds of fps (compared to thousands of
nVidia and ATI), provided the 3D driver. For both 2D and 3D there is the
open
source driver which is provided by default in Fedora and works
out-of-the-box.
Bottom-line:
If you go nVidia --- you get superb graphics quality, but be prepared to
install a binary-only 3D driver. It will usually Just Work (there were
some
reports of random memory leakage and such, but I believe that is fixed by
now). Be prepared to find the 3D failing for a couple of days whenever you
install a new kernel --- it takes some time for nVidia guys to adjust the
driver to the new kernel API (if it is changed) and some time for the
Livna
guys to recompile that and push to updates. This time usually totals to
2-3
days after the kernel update (and during that time you might use the old
kernel no problem).
If you go Intel --- you never ever worry about any drivers anything, it
will
Just Work, 100%. However, be prepared to have not so perfect graphics.
This
can be naked-eye-visible. For example, install compiz and activate several
performance-consuming effects. Open 10-15 windows simultaneously on 8
workspaces, and start rotating the cube (ok, it won't be a cube due to 8
faces :-) ...). The nVidia card will work smoothly, Intel will start
choking
and jerking. Reduce to 4-5 windows, they both work smoothly. Being fond of
eye-candy, and a lot of open windows, I witness this (and hate it) on a
daily
basis.
If you go ATI --- hmmm... well... just don't go ATI. I have an ATI Radeon
X1550, have no 3D, while 2D sucks to the level that I cannot play a movie
in
fullscreen. There are no usable drivers, and this was typically the case
since the Fedora Core 1 times. The "open source support from ATI" exists
only
for obsolete ATI cards, similar to the nv driver of nVidia. Binary only
drivers exist, but they usually Just Don't Work, contrary to nVidia
drivers
that usually Just Work. I have never ever made compiz, googleearth or
ppracer
work with an ATI card.
Whatever you choose, you'll have to allow for some compromise.
On two systems with INTEL graphics F9 is a continuing source of frustration.
One is HP and the other based on an ASUS motherboard. I'm happy with 2D as
my objective is computation but I like to have the display area of my
monitor usable. F8 and earlier worked, but the autosensing doesn't properly
pick up on the card monitor combination. The ability to overide the
settings with xorg.conf is gone. I submitted a bug report but there seems
to be very little coming from X on drivers these days.
Robert McBroom
--
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Video-card-tp19846434p19879654.html
Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
5704
days inactive
5706
days old
12 comments
12 participants
participants (12)
-
Alan Cox -
Alan Evans -
Bruno Wolff III -
Carroll Grigsby -
Chris G -
Dan -
Fred Silsbee -
Jeroen de Haas -
Marko Vojinovic -
Paul Johnson -
Robert McBroom -
Suvayu Ali