11:01 a.m.
Appears to be complaining about changelog date.
But am probable missing something.
wget
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21...
mock -r fedora-20-x86_64 rebuild gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21.src.rpm
build.log:
http://ur1.ca/gfxhp
___
Regards,
Frank
www.frankly3d.com
12:05 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| I think you've gone way off tangent with the civil rights response.
| I
| was just talking about free email services, which aren't offices of
| government, but business enterprises. I'm not saying it's a good
| thing,
| that *you* are the product, I'm just pointing out the circumstances.
| It's how capitalism works. Just about all of these things exist to
| make
| money. There are very few totally altruistic enterprises, and even
| Red
| Hat is using us with Fedora for their own purposes. Either they
| make
| you pay for the product, or they make someone else pay for it. And
| to
| make someone else pay for it, they provide them with a service that
| satisfies them, too. And how would they do that? By *using* you.
|
| Going even further way off topic, but I don't really think slavery
| has
| been abolished, it's just changed. Think about this: Are you
| self-sufficient, or do you *need* to have a job? Is your land large
| enough that you can grow all your own food, catch all your own water,
| or
| is it so small that you need to do something (work for someone else,
| usually) to survive. If you can't be totally self-sufficient, and
| independent, then you're not really free. In this day and age, many
| of
| us are slaves to the bank, with near life-long mortgages. And we're
| slaves to the government, one way or another. We have to have a job
| to
| pay for what we need, and to pay for what the government demands from
| us. A tax on this, a tax on that, for every damn fool thing they
| want
| to do, never mind the things that are justifiable and worthy of
| distributing the cost across the population.
|
| > At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the
| > university.
|
| That statement's just ripe for making jokes with, but I'll let the
| opportunity pass.
|
|--
|[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
|Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
Tim:
"Man was born free, but everywhere he is in chains" Locke 1768(?)
You are not slave to the Government unless you choose to be. You, and everyone in the
state (in the global sense, as opposed to the American) controls the government.
I suppose your lines, and lines like it from everyone in the group are why you do
computers and why I should hang my hat, quit the group, pursue my projects and let you
live your false assumptions about the state and its institutions, and build the operating
system without me.
Regards,
Richard
3:18 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mellertson(a)gmail.com>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Monday, 20 January, 2014 13:13:58
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 01/20/2014 03:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > Paul:
| >
| > This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my
| > expertise. If you want to stay on topic, then where I make a
| > contribution where it concerns my expertise, I would appreciate if
| > idiots would defer to my wisdom as I continually state that I know
| > little about the OS!!!!
| >
| > Do you want my contributions, or not?
|
| Not.
| --
|
Fuck You! And Who the fuck are you?
7:22 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/19/2014 07:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
<>
IOW it *was* in plaintext. It did however also have a "Rich
Text"
alternative part, which presumably is what violates the Guidelines
if you look up from bottom, you will also see that it has;
}> --e89a8f646f8f93fa7504f051c062
}> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
}> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
which also violates guidelines.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
3:13 a.m.
New subject: email failure
Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent:
I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your
email
AND they treat users as products rather than citizens,
Quoting an advertiser (one who makes them):
"If you're not paying for the service, then you are the product."
If you want a free service, there are sacrifices. It mightn't be the
service you really want, or you may have to do quite a bit of hunting to
find one that suits you.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.
George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
3:27 a.m.
New subject: email failure
Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
In particular, you should avoid top-posting and posting in HTML.
Are you going to facepalm, or am I going to smirk? At the least, I am
amused.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.
9:06 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 06:15:04PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
| 1. I think you missed the instruction I was pointing to in my
earlier
| response[1]; I'm quoting it below.
|
| Specify whether to prefix each line with > of | for the previous
| email messages that are forwarded or replied to, if you chose to
| quote original text.
|
| If you use the above, level of quotes are easily distinguishable.
I think you were correct, Suvayu, though it took some searching around the program.
Glad it helped. You should still trim your responses though :-p.
I think Zimbra is among the really nice email & collaboration suite
web-interfaces out there. Two others I know of are Horde and Kolab. I
have used Zimbra and Horde; I like Zimbra better. However I have the
impression Kolab is probably the most mature out of the three.
Cheers,
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
10:46 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On 20.01.2014 16:42, Tim wrote:
It's how capitalism works. Just about all of these things exist
to make
money. There are very few totally altruistic enterprises, and even Red
Hat is using us with Fedora for their own purposes. Either they make
you pay for the product, or they make someone else pay for it. And to
make someone else pay for it, they provide them with a service that
satisfies them, too. And how would they do that? By *using* you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixa1kXjMhAU
Distant cousin of Meat Loaf & Abba, haha!
And "Red Hat" is just an urban myth - it's actually a one dude in the
basement, waiting for mom to bring lunch.
And everyone smokes this story.
Haha.
poma
Money, money, money
Always sunny
In the rich man's world
Aha-ahaaa
9:42 a.m.
New subject: email failure
Tim:
> Quoting an advertiser (one who makes them):
>
> "If you're not paying for the service, then you are the product."
Richard Vickery:
A citizen does not, nor ought need to, pay anyone for the rights of
the office of citizenship. Slavery is an abolished practice, yet your
advertiser has just stated in this quote that slavery is alive and
well. Is it not time to rethink this?
I think you've gone way off tangent with the civil rights response. I
was just talking about free email services, which aren't offices of
government, but business enterprises. I'm not saying it's a good thing,
that *you* are the product, I'm just pointing out the circumstances.
It's how capitalism works. Just about all of these things exist to make
money. There are very few totally altruistic enterprises, and even Red
Hat is using us with Fedora for their own purposes. Either they make
you pay for the product, or they make someone else pay for it. And to
make someone else pay for it, they provide them with a service that
satisfies them, too. And how would they do that? By *using* you.
Going even further way off topic, but I don't really think slavery has
been abolished, it's just changed. Think about this: Are you
self-sufficient, or do you *need* to have a job? Is your land large
enough that you can grow all your own food, catch all your own water, or
is it so small that you need to do something (work for someone else,
usually) to survive. If you can't be totally self-sufficient, and
independent, then you're not really free. In this day and age, many of
us are slaves to the bank, with near life-long mortgages. And we're
slaves to the government, one way or another. We have to have a job to
pay for what we need, and to pay for what the government demands from
us. A tax on this, a tax on that, for every damn fool thing they want
to do, never mind the things that are justifiable and worthy of
distributing the cost across the population.
At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the
university.
That statement's just ripe for making jokes with, but I'll let the
opportunity pass.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.
George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
12:38 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/17/2014 08:13 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
Hi Suvayu, and anybody else who cares - assuming that Suvayu cares -
about the issue:
This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can
possibly talk to the university computer people about fixing the
program so that I can have the option of bottom-post correctly,
just passing along a tidbit that i have found.
i can not say about your university server, but i do know that with
gmail and using thunderbird, i set up and account for gmail. i
download emails and reply to them with thunderbird. this way, i am
able to respond interspersed and add to bottom with out top posting
problems.
such may work with your university server.
hth.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
9:25 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 1/19/2014 10:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 01/19/2014 06:05 PM, David wrote:
> Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when the
> troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police beat the
> crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam.
And I was in Tonkin Gulf during the Easter Offensive in '72, pounding
the hell out of the invading NVA. Your point is?
Thank you for your service. Sadly the last time it was actually worthh
while was World War II. When there really were enemies and not just
monsters from the ID. here is were you look up SIGMUND FREUD .
My point? I supported the troupes. Still do, I do not support the
politicians and the rich people out to make money on your blood and
sweat. I lost a lot of good friends. Some dead. Some crippled. Some came
home as junkies. Some came home with minds screwed up. For what? So rich
people could get richer. You do know that that country is now one of
'out friends and major trading partners'?
You do know that that your war, just like Araq, was a lie?
But I still honor your service.
--
David
11:35 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us>
| To: "Community support for Fedora users"
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 21:27:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 01/19/2014 09:03 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > This doesn't do much to address his abuse of my projects
|
| Which is why I requested that we stop discussing it here.
| --
And how do you suggest I get compensated for this abuse? Perhaps you could care less for
my contributions?
11:03 p.m.
New subject: email failure
From: "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us>
| To: "Community support for Fedora users"
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 20:55:23
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 01/19/2014 07:25 PM, David wrote:
| > My point? I supported the troupes.
|
| And my 'Nam vet friends and I both thank you; most of the anti-war
| movement didn't. I'm not going to argue with you over which, if any
| of
| our wars have been right and which wrong, because this isn't the
| right
| place, but to be honest, I can't help but wonder how much of the
| venom
| spewed by some young people back then were more about the draft than
| the
| war itself. Last (I hope) I'd like to tell you that I respect your
| stand, because you were willing to stand up for what you believed,
| and
| suffered for it.
|
| Now, let's get back on topic, please.
| --
This doesn't do much to address his abuse of my projects
12:28 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Murphy" <frankly3d(a)gmail.com>
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Friday, 17 January, 2014 10:07:01
Subject: Re: mock fail under F20
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:55:22 +0100
Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
On 01/17/2014 06:01 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Appears to be complaining about changelog date.
> But am probable missing something.
Yes, it fails due to the compilation missing symbols.
C.f. lines 221-300 of your build.log
You'll see plenty of "implict decl" warnings and "undefined
reference" errors.
Seems to me as if this package requires a newer version of gtk than
it is provided with F20, ie. you are facing an incompatibility.
Appreciate the feedback,
Ralf & Suvayu
___
Regards,
Frank
www.frankly3d.com
--
Hi Frank:
When I tried to wget the file, I get the following, after which there it would be
pointless to follow with the mock command:
bash:
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21...:
No such file or directory
11:55 a.m.
On 01/17/2014 06:01 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
Appears to be complaining about changelog date.
But am probable missing something.
Yes, it fails due to the compilation missing symbols.
C.f. lines 221-300 of your build.log
You'll see plenty of "implict decl" warnings and "undefined
reference"
errors.
Seems to me as if this package requires a newer version of gtk than it
is provided with F20, ie. you are facing an incompatibility.
I don't know if this package is supposed to be buildable on F20 or not.
If it is, upstream should handle this gtk incompatibility gracefully. If
not, the rpm-spec should carry a BR: > <something> and refuse to build.
Ralf
11:53 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 05:01:03PM +0000, Frank Murphy wrote:
Appears to be complaining about changelog date.
But am probable missing something.
wget
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21...
mock -r fedora-20-x86_64 rebuild gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21.src.rpm
build.log:
http://ur1.ca/gfxhp
Looks like linking failed. See lines 278-300, make did not complete
without errors. The message about changelog maybe just a warning.
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
6:45 p.m.
New subject: email failure (was: mock fail under F20)
Is it *actually* Desktop preferences that I seek?
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Suvayu Ali" <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 02:07:35
Subject: Re: email failure (was: mock fail under F20)
Hello Richard,
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:13:14PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can
possibly talk to the university computer people about fixing the
program so that I can have the option of bottom-post correctly, such
that it is readable. I switched from Gmail because, as I stated a few
weeks ago, I no longer like Google using my information - without, at
lest, paying me for it. I will talk to them on after the weekend about
making it easier to read, and it will not be fixed in a day; maybe a
week; maybe a month - possibly more than a month; institutions tend to
move at the speed of a tortoise.
I didn't realise you are from SFU until you mentioned your university!
I used to be a student there too, so I happen to be familiar with their
email system. As far as I know they use Zimbra. I think you are using
the web-interface. In the configuration you can set the quoting style.
See the 3rd last bullet under "Composing":
<http://www.zimbra.com/desktop/help/en_US/Userspecific/z-Setting_your_Desk...
Following this, you can easily do interspersed quoted replies.
Hope this helps,
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
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8:13 p.m.
New subject: email failure (was: mock fail under F20)
Hi Suvayu, and anybody else who cares - assuming that Suvayu cares - about the issue:
This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can possibly talk to the
university computer people about fixing the program so that I can have the option of
bottom-post correctly, such that it is readable. I switched from Gmail because, as I
stated a few weeks ago, I no longer like Google using my information - without, at lest,
paying me for it. I will talk to them on after the weekend about making it easier to read,
and it will not be fixed in a day; maybe a week; maybe a month - possibly more than a
month; institutions tend to move at the speed of a tortoise.
If anyone knows of an email server I can use until I get a break, can find and read my
Linux books on setting up an old Pentium Celeron box that at the moment has
Microsoft's shit on it with a mail server, or can pick a Linux server up, that allows
me to bottom-post it would be a big help. Else I may have to continue appoligising until I
find a solution. Back when I was just learning Linux, had I paid more attention to
mail-servers - knowledge I didn't need at the time - I might be able to put that
knowledge to good use today beside the political science degree I am pursuing.
Perhaps I can find someone to assist me in turning my box - as opposed to the folding
computer I am using - into a mail-server.
Regards,
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Suvayu Ali" <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Friday, 17 January, 2014 13:48:21
Subject: Re: mock fail under F20
Hi Richard,
Two comments:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:28:25AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
--
^^^^^^
Lately all your posts seemed like accidental sends before completely
composing the whole message to me. Today I realised why.
You are using "-- " to separate your response from the quote above.
Please try not to do that, many email clients (specially the historic
ones), treat that string as a marker for the signature. Some people
might have setups where signatures are stripped; in my case, they are
shown in a different colour so that I am not distracted by long sigs.
Because of your use of that string, all your messages were appearing
empty to me. Just sharing my thought, maybe you want to use a different
string.
<blockquote>
Hi Frank:
When I tried to wget the file, I get the following, after which there it would be
pointless to follow with the mock command:
bash:
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21...:
No such file or directory
Now on-topic: are you sure you called wget properly? From the error
</blockquote>
message it seems to me somehow bash thought the url was something else,
maybe there was a stray newline preceding the url?
Cheers,
--
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3:57 p.m.
New subject: email failure
Paul W. Frields wrote:
Let's get the list back on topic please. I see no extenuating
cause
for the bad language and vitriol being tossed around here.
I marked this thread as moderated to help with that. There are
certainly plenty of more appropriate places to have this sort of
conversation. And there's plenty of things to discuss here that are
on-topic.
Thanks to all to understanding.
--
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
3:39 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 03:54:31PM -0500, David wrote:
When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian. Then I
graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world really works.
I'm with Neil Peart in that the logical extension of a libertarian is a
liberal. The best way to rational self interest is helping your
neighbors so they help you.
Translates beautifully to open source work! :D
--
Darryl L. Pierce <mcpierce(a)gmail.com>
http://mcpierce.fedorapeople.org/
"What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman?"
3:30 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/20/2014 01:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my
expertise. If you want to stay on topic, then where I make a contribution where it
concerns my expertise, I would appreciate if idiots would defer to my wisdom as I
continually state that I know little about the OS!!!
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. What I quoted above looks like you're
saying that people should respect your expertise even though you keep
saying that you don't know much about the OS. If, in fact, you don't
know much, why would the rest of us take your word for things?
3:21 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "Mikkel L. Ellertson" <mellertson(a)gmail.com>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Monday, 20 January, 2014 13:13:58
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 01/20/2014 03:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > Paul:
| >
| > This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my
| > expertise. If you want to stay on topic, then where I make a
| > contribution where it concerns my expertise, I would appreciate if
| > idiots would defer to my wisdom as I continually state that I know
| > little about the OS!!!!
| >
| > Do you want my contributions, or not?
|
| Not.
and fuck Linux, and fuck the Red Hat! Just put out this stupid OS.
3:13 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/20/2014 03:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
Paul:
This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my expertise. If you want to
stay on topic, then where I make a contribution where it concerns my expertise, I would
appreciate if idiots would defer to my wisdom as I continually state that I know little
about the OS!!!!
Do you want my contributions, or not?
Not.
3:11 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "Paul W. Frields" <stickster(a)gmail.com>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Monday, 20 January, 2014 11:28:44
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:33:00AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
| > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:08:48PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > > | From: "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us>
| >
| > .......snip.......
| >
| > > |
| > > | Why do you think you deserve compensation, what do you think
| > > | would be
| > > | fair and how would you enforce it?
| > > | --
| > >
| > > Getting rid of the asshole would be a good start
| >
| > Excellent idea and I know just who it should start with.
|
| Let's get the list back on topic please. I see no extenuating cause
| for the bad language and vitriol being tossed around here.
|
| --
| Paul W. Frields
Paul:
This is the second or third person to abuse me because of my expertise. If you want to
stay on topic, then where I make a contribution where it concerns my expertise, I would
appreciate if idiots would defer to my wisdom as I continually state that I know little
about the OS!!!!
Do you want my contributions, or not?
3:09 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/20/2014 12:05 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
|
| Going even further way off topic, but I don't really think slavery
| has
| been abolished, it's just changed. Think about this: Are you
| self-sufficient, or do you *need* to have a job? Is your land large
| enough that you can grow all your own food, catch all your own water,
| or
| is it so small that you need to do something (work for someone else,
| usually) to survive. If you can't be totally self-sufficient, and
| independent, then you're not really free. In this day and age, many
| of
| us are slaves to the bank, with near life-long mortgages. And we're
| slaves to the government, one way or another. We have to have a job
| to
| pay for what we need, and to pay for what the government demands from
| us. A tax on this, a tax on that, for every damn fool thing they
| want
| to do, never mind the things that are justifiable and worthy of
| distributing the cost across the population.
|
| > At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the
| > university.
|
| That statement's just ripe for making jokes with, but I'll let the
| opportunity pass.
|
\
Tim:
"Man was born free, but everywhere he is in chains" Locke 1768(?)
You are not slave to the Government unless you choose to be. You, and everyone in the
state (in the global sense, as opposed to the American) controls the government.
I suppose your lines, and lines like it from everyone in the group are why you do
computers and why I should hang my hat, quit the group, pursue my projects and let you
live your false assumptions about the state and its institutions, and build the operating
system without me.
Regards,
Richard
Sounds like a plan...
Mikkel
--
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and
taste good with Ketchup!
1:28 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:33:00AM -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:08:48PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
> | From: "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us>
.......snip.......
> |
> | Why do you think you deserve compensation, what do you think would be
> | fair and how would you enforce it?
> | --
>
> Getting rid of the asshole would be a good start
Excellent idea and I know just who it should start with.
Let's get the list back on topic please. I see no extenuating cause
for the bad language and vitriol being tossed around here.
--
Paul W. Frields http://paul.frields.org/
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http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/
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1:24 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:00:33 -0800 (PST)
Richard Vickery <rmv1(a)sfu.ca> wrote:
|
|--
|[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
|Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013
x86_64
Tim:
"Man was born free, but everywhere he is in chains" Locke 1768(?)
You are not slave to the Government unless you choose to be. You, and
everyone in the state (in the global sense, as opposed to the
American) controls the government.
I suppose your lines, and lines like it from everyone in the group
are why you do computers and why I should hang my hat, quit the
group, pursue my projects and let you live your false assumptions
about the state and its institutions, and build the operating system
without me.
Regards,
Richard
I suggest if not already done so to read from the late Georgetown's
university professor, who also taught at Harvard,Princeton and
was once a professor to Bill Clinton. Carroll Quigley, Tragedy
& Hope: A History of the world in our time.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/war/tragedy_and_hope_quigley_full1090pg.pdf
1 p.m.
New subject: Fwd: email failure
|
|--
|[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
|Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
Tim:
"Man was born free, but everywhere he is in chains" Locke 1768(?)
You are not slave to the Government unless you choose to be. You, and everyone in the
state (in the global sense, as opposed to the American) controls the government.
I suppose your lines, and lines like it from everyone in the group are why you do
computers and why I should hang my hat, quit the group, pursue my projects and let you
live your false assumptions about the state and its institutions, and build the operating
system without me.
Regards,
Richard
--
Mr Holtzman:
Forwarding this because you seemed to show interest in silencing my contribution
12:33 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:08:48PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
| From: "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us>
.......snip.......
|
| Why do you think you deserve compensation, what do you think would be
| fair and how would you enforce it?
| --
Getting rid of the asshole would be a good start
Excellent idea and I know just who it should start with.
--
Bob Holtzman
Your mail is being read by tight lipped
NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor
Strangelove
Key ID 8D549279
9:46 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 19:25:59
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 1/19/2014 10:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
| > On 01/19/2014 06:05 PM, David wrote:
| >> Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when
| >> the
| >> troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police
| >> beat the
| >> crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam.
| >
| > And I was in Tonkin Gulf during the Easter Offensive in '72,
| > pounding
| > the hell out of the invading NVA. Your point is?
|
|
| Thank you for your service. Sadly the last time it was actually
| worthh
| while was World War II. When there really were enemies and not just
| monsters from the ID. here is were you look up SIGMUND FREUD .
|
|
| My point? I supported the troupes. Still do, I do not support the
| politicians and the rich people out to make money on your blood and
| sweat. I lost a lot of good friends. Some dead. Some crippled. Some
| came
| home as junkies. Some came home with minds screwed up. For what? So
| rich
| people could get richer. You do know that that country is now one of
| 'out friends and major trading partners'?
|
| You do know that that your war, just like Araq, was a lie?
|
| But I still honor your service.
| --
|
| David
| --
WTF does you support of service men and women have to do with my research of how states
are organised, run, and how citizens are treated? Who the f-ck are you to run ramshot over
me just because I know how the courts work? how the police work? the rules of evidence?
the rules of political power? Game theory? Prisoners dilemma? F you David! After the
manner in which this guy treated me, I could care less how that "F you..." comes
across. If you had been kinder about my knowledge, I might be sorrowful and care somewhat
about your misfortunes, but after the BS you dished out to me, I could care less about
your life's mistreatment.
7:22 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Frank Murphy <frankly3d(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Is Nexus Android?
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/k-9-mail-the-best-alternative-email-manageme...
"You can choose between rich emails and plain text emails."
Of course. It's marketed by Google so always has the latest Android
version. I'm aware of other MUAs on Android but am not too keen on
switching as in other respects the builtin Gmail app is pretty good
for what I use.
poc
4:31 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:26:10 +0000
"Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I see I did it again! That reply was from my Nexus tablet using the
Gmail app. The app has a handy "Reply In-line" button (which the web
version doesn't have) but there doesn't seem to be a way to get
plaintext in replies. Geez.
poc
Is Nexus Android?
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/k-9-mail-the-best-alternative-email-manageme...
"You can choose between rich emails and plain text emails."
___
Regards,
Frank
www.frankly3d.com
4:31 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a way to
have Plain Text as the default.
OTOH, once the Plain Text option is set, it appears to stick, even
across Gmail sessions. Good to know.
poc
4:26 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> if you look up from bottom, you will also see that it has;
>
> }> --e89a8f646f8f93fa7504f051c062
> }> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
> }> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> which also violates guidelines.
That would correspond to the alternative part, which I already mentioned.
I see I did it again! That reply was from my Nexus tablet using the
Gmail app. The app has a handy "Reply In-line" button (which the web
version doesn't have) but there doesn't seem to be a way to get
plaintext in replies. Geez.
poc
3:27 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On Jan 20, 2014 2:22 AM, "g" <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
On 01/19/2014 07:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
<>
> IOW it *was* in plaintext. It did however also have a "Rich Text"
> alternative part, which presumably is what violates the Guidelines
if you look up from bottom, you will also see that it has;
}> --e89a8f646f8f93fa7504f051c062
}> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
}> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
which also violates guidelines.
That would correspond to the alternative part, which I already mentioned.
poc
11:42 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/19/2014 09:35 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| From: "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us>
| To: "Community support for Fedora users"
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 21:27:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 01/19/2014 09:03 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > This doesn't do much to address his abuse of my projects
|
| Which is why I requested that we stop discussing it here.
| --
And how do you suggest I get compensated for this abuse? Perhaps you could care less for
my contributions?
Why do you think you deserve compensation, what do you think would be
fair and how would you enforce it?
12:08 a.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us>
| To: "Community support for Fedora users"
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 21:42:41
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 01/19/2014 09:35 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > | From: "Joe Zeff" <joe(a)zeff.us>
| > | To: "Community support for Fedora users"
| > | <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
| > | Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 21:27:38
| > | Subject: Re: email failure
| > |
| > | On 01/19/2014 09:03 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > | > This doesn't do much to address his abuse of my projects
| > |
| > | Which is why I requested that we stop discussing it here.
| > | --
| >
| > And how do you suggest I get compensated for this abuse? Perhaps
| > you could care less for my contributions?
| >
|
| Why do you think you deserve compensation, what do you think would be
| fair and how would you enforce it?
| --
Getting rid of the asshole would be a good start, and enforcing that we treat each other
fairly? How does creating a policy stating that sound; one that guides contributors to
respect what others do or have done in their lives? respect others as persons not to be
abused, but to be cherished as community members with something to contribute? Enforce it
by threatening to through them out.
My integrity was attacked; what would you want from an organisation that attacked your
integrity through one of its websites/employees/contributors? If Red Hats integrity was
attacked what would the company do?
10:55 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/19/2014 07:25 PM, David wrote:
My point? I supported the troupes.
And my 'Nam vet friends and I both thank you; most of the anti-war
movement didn't. I'm not going to argue with you over which, if any of
our wars have been right and which wrong, because this isn't the right
place, but to be honest, I can't help but wonder how much of the venom
spewed by some young people back then were more about the draft than the
war itself. Last (I hope) I'd like to tell you that I respect your
stand, because you were willing to stand up for what you believed, and
suffered for it.
Now, let's get back on topic, please.
9:07 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/19/2014 06:05 PM, David wrote:
Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when
the
troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police beat the
crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam.
And I was in Tonkin Gulf during the Easter Offensive in '72, pounding
the hell out of the invading NVA. Your point is?
7:36 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 13:55:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 1/19/2014 4:30 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > | From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| > |
| > | When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian.
| > | Then I
| > | graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world really
| > | works.
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > | David
| >
| > I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either courts, or
| > mass demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your
| > pathetic little world where you can't change anything, be my
| > guest.
| >
|
|
| Been there. I have the tee shirt. The demonstrations will get your
| butt
| kicked by the Sturmtruppenwith the batons and the courts belong to
| the
| rich. As I said. I grew up.
|
|
Obviously you know nothing of political science. When someone comes along and kicks your
ass, you get enough people together and kick that group around.
You didn't grow up! You went into the corner and cried your eyes out because a bully
came and started kicking you around. Go back in your corner and stfu or shut up. listen,
an learn a thing or two.
Did you study basket weaving?
8:37 p.m.
New subject: email failure
Richard
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Richard Vickery" <rmv1(a)sfu.ca>
| To: "Community support for Fedora users"
<users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 18:14:39
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| | From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| | To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| | Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 18:05:03
| | Subject: Re: email failure
| |
| | On 1/19/2014 8:36 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| | > | From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| | > | To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| | > | Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 13:55:38
| | > | Subject: Re: email failure
| | > |
| | > | On 1/19/2014 4:30 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| | > | > | From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| | > | > |
| | > | > | When I was young as you appear to be I too was a
| | > | > | libertarian.
| | > | > | Then I
| | > | > | graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world
| | > | > | really
| | > | > | works.
| | > | > |
| | > | > |
| | > | > | --
| | > | > |
| | > | > | David
| | > | >
| | > | > I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either
| | > | > courts,
| | > | > or
| | > | > mass demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your
| | > | > pathetic little world where you can't change anything, be my
| | > | > guest.
| | > | >
| | > |
| | > |
| | > | Been there. I have the tee shirt. The demonstrations will get
| | > | your
| | > | butt
| | > | kicked by the Sturmtruppenwith the batons and the courts belong
| | > | to
| | > | the
| | > | rich. As I said. I grew up.
| | > |
| | > |
| | > Obviously you know nothing of political science. When someone
| | > comes
| | > along and kicks your ass, you get enough people together and kick
| | > that group around.
| | >
| | > You didn't grow up! You went into the corner and cried your eyes
| | > out because a bully came and started kicking you around. Go back
| | > in your corner and stfu or shut up. listen, an learn a thing or
| | > two.
| | >
| | >
| | > Did you study basket weaving?
| | >
| |
| |
| | Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when
| | the
| | troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police
| | beat
| | the
| | crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam. I got the crap
| | beat
| | out of me for protesting Nixon's lies about Cambodia. I have been
| | arrested many times and beaten while in jail. Many of these times I
| | spent time in hospital.
| |
| | And you? Maybe yelled a word? Held up a sign?
| |
| | Go away. You bore me troll.
| |
| | --
| |
|
| Perhaps you ought to look at your own activities before accusing
| someone else of an activity that you first instigated, troll!
| --
Who let this Boles guy, who is otherwise afraid to use his surname - at least as part of
his display-name, into the building to abuse me? Before anyone goes stating that I was
part of such, please remember that he was the one who started abusing my field of study.
Had he left it alone, I would not accuse him of a degree in basket weaving. I might ask
the moderator to have a serious discussion about the abuse he dished out.
8:14 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 18:05:03
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 1/19/2014 8:36 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > | From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| > | To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| > | Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 13:55:38
| > | Subject: Re: email failure
| > |
| > | On 1/19/2014 4:30 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > | > | From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| > | > |
| > | > | When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian.
| > | > | Then I
| > | > | graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world
| > | > | really
| > | > | works.
| > | > |
| > | > |
| > | > | --
| > | > |
| > | > | David
| > | >
| > | > I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either courts,
| > | > or
| > | > mass demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your
| > | > pathetic little world where you can't change anything, be my
| > | > guest.
| > | >
| > |
| > |
| > | Been there. I have the tee shirt. The demonstrations will get
| > | your
| > | butt
| > | kicked by the Sturmtruppenwith the batons and the courts belong
| > | to
| > | the
| > | rich. As I said. I grew up.
| > |
| > |
| > Obviously you know nothing of political science. When someone comes
| > along and kicks your ass, you get enough people together and kick
| > that group around.
| >
| > You didn't grow up! You went into the corner and cried your eyes
| > out because a bully came and started kicking you around. Go back
| > in your corner and stfu or shut up. listen, an learn a thing or
| > two.
| >
| >
| > Did you study basket weaving?
| >
|
|
| Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when
| the
| troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police beat
| the
| crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam. I got the crap
| beat
| out of me for protesting Nixon's lies about Cambodia. I have been
| arrested many times and beaten while in jail. Many of these times I
| spent time in hospital.
|
| And you? Maybe yelled a word? Held up a sign?
|
| Go away. You bore me troll.
|
| --
|
Perhaps you ought to look at your own activities before accusing someone else of an
activity that you first instigated, troll!
8:05 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 1/19/2014 8:36 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 13:55:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| On 1/19/2014 4:30 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| > | From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
| > |
| > | When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian.
| > | Then I
| > | graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world really
| > | works.
| > |
| > |
| > | --
| > |
| > | David
| >
| > I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either courts, or
| > mass demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your
| > pathetic little world where you can't change anything, be my
| > guest.
| >
|
|
| Been there. I have the tee shirt. The demonstrations will get your
| butt
| kicked by the Sturmtruppenwith the batons and the courts belong to
| the
| rich. As I said. I grew up.
|
|
Obviously you know nothing of political science. When someone comes along and kicks your
ass, you get enough people together and kick that group around.
You didn't grow up! You went into the corner and cried your eyes out because a bully
came and started kicking you around. Go back in your corner and stfu or shut up. listen,
an learn a thing or two.
Did you study basket weaving?
Last comment and I am gone Punk. I was involved at Kent State when the
troupes murdered the students. I was at Chicago when the police beat the
crap out of us with night sticks protesting Vietnam. I got the crap beat
out of me for protesting Nixon's lies about Cambodia. I have been
arrested many times and beaten while in jail. Many of these times I
spent time in hospital.
And you? Maybe yelled a word? Held up a sign?
Go away. You bore me troll.
--
David
7:20 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com> wrote:
It's the Gmail trap; even though it seems like plain text, it is not.
You have to explicitly choose plain text (lower right of the compose
window I think). Once you do, then it becomes obvious that it was not
plain text before.
Hope this helps,
PS: Your latest response also had an html part.
Hi Suvayu,
A quick check of my previous post shows that it contains the following:
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113393e464269804f051bfd9
--001a113393e464269804f051bfd9
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
etc. etc.
IOW it *was* in plaintext. It did however also have a "Rich Text"
alternative part, which presumably is what violates the Guidelines (I
don't normally see that since I always set my mail clients to prefer
plaintext for reading). I'll have to remember to change that when
posting from Gmail. Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a way to
have Plain Text as the default.
poc
7:10 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/19/2014 01:57 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
A citizen does not, nor ought need to, pay anyone for the rights of
the office of citizenship. Slavery is an abolished practice, yet your advertiser has just
stated in this quote that slavery is alive and well. Is it not time to rethink this?
Treating society as products may be one of the reasons that the Taliban attacked US soil,
and destroyed the trade towers in New York. We need to be treated as people, as citizens.
If we are treating each other as slaves then the cycle of violence will never stop.
At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the university.
When talking about e-mail service, what does thats have to do with
the trade-offs when using a "free" service compared to paying for
the service? You are just paying for the "free" service with a
different coin.
Mikkel
--
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and
taste good with Ketchup!
3:55 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 1/19/2014 4:30 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
|
| When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian. Then I
| graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world really
| works.
|
|
| --
|
| David
I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either courts, or mass
demonstrations. If you want to continue living in your pathetic little world where you
can't change anything, be my guest.
Been there. I have the tee shirt. The demonstrations will get your butt
kicked by the Sturmtruppenwith the batons and the courts belong to the
rich. As I said. I grew up.
We are *really* OT here. You have a wonderful day in Nirvana.
--
David
3:30 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "David" <dgboles(a)gmail.com>
|
| When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian. Then I
| graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world really
| works.
|
|
| --
|
| David
I'm sorry David, that you have neither heard of either courts, or mass demonstrations.
If you want to continue living in your pathetic little world where you can't change
anything, be my guest.
2:54 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 1/19/2014 2:57 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
| From: "Tim" <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 01:13:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent:
| > I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your
| > email
| > AND they treat users as products rather than citizens,
|
| Quoting an advertiser (one who makes them):
|
| "If you're not paying for the service, then you are the product."
|
| If you want a free service, there are sacrifices. It mightn't be the
| service you really want, or you may have to do quite a bit of hunting
| to
| find one that suits you.
A citizen does not, nor ought need to, pay anyone for the rights of the office of
citizenship. Slavery is an abolished practice, yet your advertiser has just stated in this
quote that slavery is alive and well. Is it not time to rethink this? Treating society as
products may be one of the reasons that the Taliban attacked US soil, and destroyed the
trade towers in New York. We need to be treated as people, as citizens. If we are treating
each other as slaves then the cycle of violence will never stop.
At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the university.
When I was young as you appear to be I too was a libertarian. Then I
graduated, grew up, and realized just how the real world really works.
--
David
1:57 p.m.
New subject: email failure
| From: "Tim" <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Sunday, 19 January, 2014 01:13:38
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent:
| > I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your
| > email
| > AND they treat users as products rather than citizens,
|
| Quoting an advertiser (one who makes them):
|
| "If you're not paying for the service, then you are the product."
|
| If you want a free service, there are sacrifices. It mightn't be the
| service you really want, or you may have to do quite a bit of hunting
| to
| find one that suits you.
A citizen does not, nor ought need to, pay anyone for the rights of the office of
citizenship. Slavery is an abolished practice, yet your advertiser has just stated in this
quote that slavery is alive and well. Is it not time to rethink this? Treating society as
products may be one of the reasons that the Taliban attacked US soil, and destroyed the
trade towers in New York. We need to be treated as people, as citizens. If we are treating
each other as slaves then the cycle of violence will never stop.
At least I have a massive voice that is listened to at the university.
|
| --
| [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
| Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013
| x86_64
11:03 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/20/2014 04:31 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> Unfortunately there doesn't appear to be a way to
> have Plain Text as the default.
OTOH, once the Plain Text option is set, it appears to stick, even
across Gmail sessions. Good to know.
/(-:
glad to see you are learning.
/:-)
poc
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
11 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/20/2014 04:31 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:26:10 +0000 "Patrick
O'Callaghan"
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I see I did it again! That reply was from my Nexus tablet using the
> Gmail app. The app has a handy "Reply In-line" button (which the
> web version doesn't have) but there doesn't seem to be a way to get
> plaintext in replies. Geez.
>
> poc
Is Nexus Android?
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/k-9-mail-the-best-alternative-email-manageme...
"You can choose between rich emails and plain text emails."
/(-:
that would be too easy for a "net nanny".
/:-)
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
10:57 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/20/2014 04:26 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> if you look up from bottom, you will also see that it has;
>>
>> }> --e89a8f646f8f93fa7504f051c062
>> }> Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
>> }> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>>
>> which also violates guidelines.
>
> That would correspond to the alternative part, which I already mentioned.
I see I did it again! That reply was from my Nexus tablet using the
Gmail app. The app has a handy "Reply In-line" button (which the web
version doesn't have) but there doesn't seem to be a way to get
plaintext in replies. Geez.
/(-:
then maybe _you_ need to comply to guidelines and use an
email client/email server that conforms to guidelines.
/:-)
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
10:54 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/20/2014 03:27 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Jan 20, 2014 2:22 AM, "g" <geleem(a)bellsouth.net>
wrote:
> On 01/19/2014 07:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <>
>
>> IOW it *was* in plaintext. It did however also have a "Rich
>> Text" alternative part, which presumably is what violates the
>> Guidelines
>
> if you look up from bottom, you will also see that it has;
>
> }> --e89a8f646f8f93fa7504f051c062 }> Content-Type: text/html;
> charset=UTF-8 }> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> which also violates guidelines.
That would correspond to the alternative part, which I already
mentioned.
/(-:
no. that relates to the *html* part that you failed to mention
your emails have and still are producing;
Content-Type: multipart/mixed
which gives;
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
so why it is that you have not changed your gmail configurations/
options, or what every it is called, like you said you would in
a previous post?
/:-)
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
9 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On 1/19/2014 8:45 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
Hi Patrick,
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:16:40PM +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
>>> In particular, you should avoid top-posting and posting in HTML.
>>
>> Are you going to facepalm, or am I going to smirk? At the least, I am
>> amused.
>>
>
>
> Not sure I get your point Tim. My reply was not top-posted and used plain
> test. Part of the quoted material may have been in HTML so I guess in all
> rigour I could have made sure to avoid that. Frankly I didn't think of it.
It's the Gmail trap; even though it seems like plain text, it is not.
You have to explicitly choose plain text (lower right of the compose
window I think). Once you do, then it becomes obvious that it was not
plain text before.
Hope this helps,
PS: Your latest response also had an html part.
Gmail calls it RTF. Rich Text Format. It is the Gmail default but it can
be disabled.
<http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/R/rich_text_format_RTF.html>
--
David
7:45 a.m.
New subject: email failure
Hi Patrick,
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 12:16:40PM +0000, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Tim
<ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan sent:
> > In particular, you should avoid top-posting and posting in HTML.
>
> Are you going to facepalm, or am I going to smirk? At the least, I am
> amused.
>
Not sure I get your point Tim. My reply was not top-posted and used plain
test. Part of the quoted material may have been in HTML so I guess in all
rigour I could have made sure to avoid that. Frankly I didn't think of it.
It's the Gmail trap; even though it seems like plain text, it is not.
You have to explicitly choose plain text (lower right of the compose
window I think). Once you do, then it becomes obvious that it was not
plain text before.
Hope this helps,
PS: Your latest response also had an html part.
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
6:16 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 9:27 AM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2014, Patrick O'Callaghan
sent:
> In particular, you should avoid top-posting and posting in HTML.
Are you going to facepalm, or am I going to smirk? At the least, I am
amused.
Not sure I get your point Tim. My reply was not top-posted and used plain
test. Part of the quoted material may have been in HTML so I guess in all
rigour I could have made sure to avoid that. Frankly I didn't think of it.
poc
8:15 p.m.
New subject: email failure
----- Original Message -----
| From: "Suvayu Ali" <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>
| To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
| Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 15:26:16
| Subject: Re: email failure
|
| Hi Richard,
|
| On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:17:06AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
| >
| > The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send,
| > it
| > is hard for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted
| > message
| > stops and my contribution begins. If you go to the bottom of this
| > email you will see that your contribution is not "quoted" as such,
| > and
| > - especially if the same font were used - you can't really tell
| > without paying really close attention to the "--" where the
| > exchange
| > starts.
|
| Two comments:
| 1. I think you missed the instruction I was pointing to in my earlier
| response[1]; I'm quoting it below.
|
| Specify whether to prefix each line with > of | for the previous
| email messages that are forwarded or replied to, if you chose to
| quote original text.
|
| If you use the above, level of quotes are easily distinguishable.
| 2. The signature string is "-- ": that is two dashes, followed by a
| single space. Without the single space, the special meaning is
| lost.
|
| Hope this helps,
|
|
| Footnotes:
|
| [1]
| <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-January/445649.html>
|
|
| --
| Suvayu
|
| Open source is the future. It sets us free.
| --
|
I think you were correct, Suvayu, though it took some searching around the program.
Richard
7:13 p.m.
New subject: email failure
To point one, which is copied from below in case you miss it:
It doesn't do it for whole message and I can envision that you still get lost in the
reply.
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Suvayu Ali" <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 15:26:16
Subject: Re: email failure
Hi Richard,
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:17:06AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send, it
is hard for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted message
stops and my contribution begins. If you go to the bottom of this
email you will see that your contribution is not "quoted" as such, and
- especially if the same font were used - you can't really tell
without paying really close attention to the "--" where the exchange
starts.
Two comments:
1. I think you missed the instruction I was pointing to in my earlier
response[1]; I'm quoting it below.
Specify whether to prefix each line with > of | for the previous
email messages that are forwarded or replied to, if you chose to
quote original text.
It doesn't do it for whole message and I can envision that you still get lost in the
reply.
If you use the above, level of quotes are easily distinguishable.
2. The signature string is "-- ": that is two dashes, followed by a
single space. Without the single space, the special meaning is lost.
Hope this helps,
Footnotes:
[1] <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-January/445649.html>
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5:26 p.m.
New subject: email failure
Hi Richard,
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 10:17:06AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send, it
is hard for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted message
stops and my contribution begins. If you go to the bottom of this
email you will see that your contribution is not "quoted" as such, and
- especially if the same font were used - you can't really tell
without paying really close attention to the "--" where the exchange
starts.
Two comments:
1. I think you missed the instruction I was pointing to in my earlier
response[1]; I'm quoting it below.
Specify whether to prefix each line with > of | for the previous
email messages that are forwarded or replied to, if you chose to
quote original text.
If you use the above, level of quotes are easily distinguishable.
2. The signature string is "-- ": that is two dashes, followed by a
single space. Without the single space, the special meaning is lost.
Hope this helps,
Footnotes:
[1] <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2014-January/445649.html>
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
4:46 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Richard Vickery <rmv1(a)sfu.ca> wrote:
The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send,
it is
hard for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted message stops and
my contribution begins. If you go to the bottom of this email you will see
that your contribution is not "quoted" as such, and - especially if the
same font were used - you can't really tell without paying really close
attention to the "--" where the exchange starts.
Once again, I strongly doubt that this is being caused by the server. It's
much more likely to be caused by your email client, which I see is the
Zimbra web client. Someone else already explained how to change your
settings to get bottom-posting. You can no doubt also use alternative
clients on the same email server.
I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your email
AND
they treat users as products rather than citizens, selling your information
that you freely give them without offering you anything for it.
I was under the impression that they gave you a free (and very effective)
email service. However this is OT for the list so let's just leave it at
that. My point is that your adhesion to the list guidelines is not
dependent on which server you use. In particular, you should avoid
top-posting and posting in HTML. The guidelines are mentioned at the foot
of every message on this list.
poc
1:52 p.m.
New subject: email failure
On 01/18/2014 12:17 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I
send, it is hard for some, perhaps everyone, to know where the
quoted message stops and my contribution begins. If you go to the
bottom of this email you will see that your contribution is not
"quoted" as such, and - especially if the same font were used -
you can't really tell without paying really close attention to the
"--" where the exchange starts.
I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your
email AND they treat users as products rather than citizens,
selling your information that you freely give them without
offering you anything for it. I started becoming very aware about
my data when the CBC program Spark told me about Joindiaspora.com
and then a cell phone concept, both concepts that give the user
her data to do with what she wants.
Richard
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12:17 p.m.
New subject: email failure
The problem with bottom-posting on this server is that when I send, it is hard for some,
perhaps everyone, to know where the quoted message stops and my contribution begins. If
you go to the bottom of this email you will see that your contribution is not
"quoted" as such, and - especially if the same font were used - you can't
really tell without paying really close attention to the "--" where the exchange
starts.
I recently quit Gmail because I got sick of that they read your email AND they treat users
as products rather than citizens, selling your information that you freely give them
without offering you anything for it. I started becoming very aware about my data when the
CBC program Spark told me about Joindiaspora.com and then a cell phone concept, both
concepts that give the user her data to do with what she wants .
Richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick O'Callaghan" <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com>
To: "Community support for Fedora users" <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org>
Sent: Saturday, 18 January, 2014 04:09:31
Subject: Re: email failure
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 6:38 AM, g < geleem(a)bellsouth.net > wrote:
On 01/17/2014 08:13 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
<blockquote>
Hi Suvayu, and anybody else who cares - assuming that Suvayu cares -
about the issue:
This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can
possibly talk to the university computer people about fixing the
program so that I can have the option of bottom-post correctly,
just passing along a tidbit that i have found.
i can not say about your university server, but i do know that with
gmail and using thunderbird, i set up and account for gmail. i
download emails and reply to them with thunderbird. this way, i am
able to respond interspersed and add to bottom with out top posting
problems.
such may work with your university server.
</blockquote>
Seeing this out of context (is there an existing thread, if so then why wasn't the
reply posted there?).
I'm bottom-posting this from Gmail. Also, I don't know of any mail server that
would mess with replies to the extent of enforcing top-posting. Some email *clients* do,
especially on phones, but that's a different issue.
poc
--
9:48 a.m.
New subject: email failure
hello poc,
On 01/18/2014 06:09 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
<>
Seeing this out of context (is there an existing thread, if so then
why wasn't the reply posted there?).
good question.
tho i really do not know why you are pushing an issue.
all i did was select "Reply to sender an all recipients" icon and
for some reason thunderbird decided to trim "Subject:". first time
i am aware of it happening.
I'm bottom-posting this from Gmail. Also, I don't know of any
mail
server that would mess with replies to the extent of enforcing
top-posting. Some email *clients* do, especially on phones, but
that's a different issue.
i have never posted online with gmail, so i really do not know
how gmail works online.
anyway "Suvayu" gave him a reply that will/should/may/might work.
have a merry new year.
--
peace out.
in a world with out fences, who needs gates.
tc.hago.
g
.
6:09 a.m.
New subject: email failure
On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 6:38 AM, g <geleem(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
On 01/17/2014 08:13 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:
> Hi Suvayu, and anybody else who cares - assuming that Suvayu cares -
> about the issue:
>
> This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can
> possibly talk to the university computer people about fixing the
> program so that I can have the option of bottom-post correctly,
>
just passing along a tidbit that i have found.
i can not say about your university server, but i do know that with
gmail and using thunderbird, i set up and account for gmail. i
download emails and reply to them with thunderbird. this way, i am
able to respond interspersed and add to bottom with out top posting
problems.
such may work with your university server.
Seeing this out of context (is there an existing thread, if so then why
wasn't the reply posted there?).
I'm bottom-posting this from Gmail. Also, I don't know of any mail server
that would mess with replies to the extent of enforcing top-posting. Some
email *clients* do, especially on phones, but that's a different issue.
poc
4:07 a.m.
New subject: email failure (was: mock fail under F20)
Hello Richard,
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:13:14PM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
This is originally how this server has set the return mail as; I can
possibly talk to the university computer people about fixing the
program so that I can have the option of bottom-post correctly, such
that it is readable. I switched from Gmail because, as I stated a few
weeks ago, I no longer like Google using my information - without, at
lest, paying me for it. I will talk to them on after the weekend about
making it easier to read, and it will not be fixed in a day; maybe a
week; maybe a month - possibly more than a month; institutions tend to
move at the speed of a tortoise.
I didn't realise you are from SFU until you mentioned your university!
I used to be a student there too, so I happen to be familiar with their
email system. As far as I know they use Zimbra. I think you are using
the web-interface. In the configuration you can set the quoting style.
See the 3rd last bullet under "Composing":
<http://www.zimbra.com/desktop/help/en_US/Userspecific/z-Setting_your_Desk...
Following this, you can easily do interspersed quoted replies.
Hope this helps,
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
11:12 p.m.
New subject: email failure (was: mock fail under F20)
Allegedly, on or about 17 January 2014, Richard Vickery sent:
If anyone knows of an email server I can use until I get a break,
can
find and read my Linux books on setting up an old Pentium Celeron box
that at the moment has Microsoft's shit on it with a mail server, or
can pick a Linux server up, that allows me to bottom-post it would be
a big help.
If you want an external server, then fastmail.fm has free IMAP accounts
(or did, and may have cheap ones, now), and some countries Yahoo.com has
free POP3.
If you want to run your own server, then you can use any mail service
that lets you access it with something like POP or IMAP. You'd use
something like fetchmail to drag mail from an external mail server, and
use your own local mail server running on your computer.
That's just two approaches.
If you're happy with usenet (news groups), you can access this list
through the gmane news group server.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp
Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64
All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point
trying to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the
public lists.
George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
3:48 p.m.
Hi Richard,
Two comments:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:28:25AM -0800, Richard Vickery wrote:
--
^^^^^^
Lately all your posts seemed like accidental sends before completely
composing the whole message to me. Today I realised why.
You are using "-- " to separate your response from the quote above.
Please try not to do that, many email clients (specially the historic
ones), treat that string as a marker for the signature. Some people
might have setups where signatures are stripped; in my case, they are
shown in a different colour so that I am not distracted by long sigs.
Because of your use of that string, all your messages were appearing
empty to me. Just sharing my thought, maybe you want to use a different
string.
Hi Frank:
When I tried to wget the file, I get the following, after which there it would be
pointless to follow with the mock command:
bash:
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21...:
No such file or directory
Now on-topic: are you sure you called wget properly? From the error
message it seems to me somehow bash thought the url was something else,
maybe there was a stray newline preceding the url?
Cheers,
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
3:21 p.m.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 10:28:25 -0800 (PST)
Richard Vickery <rmv1(a)sfu.ca> wrote:
Hi Frank:
When I tried to wget the file, I get the following, after which there
it would be pointless to follow with the mock command:
bash:
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21...:
No such file or directory
The src is already downloaded on my hd using wget.
___
Regards,
Frank
www.frankly3d.com
12:07 p.m.
On Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:55:22 +0100
Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de> wrote:
On 01/17/2014 06:01 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Appears to be complaining about changelog date.
> But am probable missing something.
Yes, it fails due to the compilation missing symbols.
C.f. lines 221-300 of your build.log
You'll see plenty of "implict decl" warnings and "undefined
reference" errors.
Seems to me as if this package requires a newer version of gtk than
it is provided with F20, ie. you are facing an incompatibility.
Appreciate the feedback,
Ralf & Suvayu
___
Regards,
Frank
www.frankly3d.com
11:59 a.m.
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 06:53:36PM +0100, Suvayu Ali wrote:
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 05:01:03PM +0000, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Appears to be complaining about changelog date.
> But am probable missing something.
>
> wget
>
http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//packages/gnome-bluetooth/3.11.3/1.fc21...
>
> mock -r fedora-20-x86_64 rebuild gnome-bluetooth-3.11.3-1.fc21.src.rpm
>
>
> build.log:
> http://ur1.ca/gfxhp
Looks like linking failed. See lines 278-300, make did not complete
without errors. The message about changelog maybe just a warning.
Sorry to respond to myself, but just wanted to point you to Fedora
copr[1]. I think it is a fantastic build service. I have been using it
for a few of my private packages for a few months, works great. Note
that you can only use it for things that Fedora is able to distribute:
so no RPMFusion packages.
Cheers,
Footnotes:
[1] <http://copr-fe.cloud.fedoraproject.org/coprs/>
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