On 12/09/2022 12:58 PM, Jose Maria Terry Jimenez wrote: Command not found, and dnf can't find it either. I should mention that for various reasons this box is still running F 25, although I'm planning to reinstall with 37 very soon.

On 12/09/2022 02:13 PM, José María Terry Jiménez wrote: I think that I started out by stating that I was stuck on 25, but planning to upgrade RSN, because I know that Things Have Changed, and hoped that people would at least try to give suggestions that wouldn't work on my system. And, if you didn't know that I was still on 25, why did your suggestion state that you don't know if it would work on 25?

On 12/09/2022 02:38 PM, Tim via users wrote: [joe@khorlia ~]$ cat /etc/resolv.conf # Generated by NetworkManager search zeff.us nameserver 8.8.8.8 nameserver 8.8.4.4 [joe@khorlia ~]$ cat /etc/nsswitch.conf # # /etc/nsswitch.conf # # An example Name Service Switch config file. This file should be # sorted with the most-used services at the beginning. # # The entry '[NOTFOUND=return]' means that the search for an # entry should stop if the search in the previous entry turned # up nothing. Note that if the search failed due to some other reason # (like no NIS server responding) then the search continues with the # next entry. # # Valid entries include: # # nisplus Use NIS+ (NIS version 3) # nis Use NIS (NIS version 2), also called YP # dns Use DNS (Domain Name Service) # files Use the local files # db Use the local database (.db) files # compat Use NIS on compat mode # hesiod Use Hesiod for user lookups # [NOTFOUND=return] Stop searching if not found so far # # To use db, put the "db" in front of "files" for entries you want to be # looked up first in the databases # # Example: #passwd: db files nisplus nis #shadow: db files nisplus nis #group: db files nisplus nis passwd: files sss shadow: files sss group: files sss #hosts: db files nisplus nis dns hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname # Example - obey only what nisplus tells us... #services: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #networks: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #protocols: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #rpc: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #ethers: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #netmasks: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files bootparams: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files ethers: files netmasks: files networks: files protocols: files rpc: files services: files sss netgroup: files sss publickey: nisplus automount: files sss aliases: files nisplus [joe@khorlia ~]$ [joe@khorlia ~]$ dig slashdot.org ; <<>> DiG 9.10.5-P2-RedHat-9.10.5-2.P2.fc25 <<>> slashdot.org ;; global options: +cmd ;; Got answer: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 50703 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1 ;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION: ; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 512 ;; QUESTION SECTION: ;slashdot.org. IN A ;; ANSWER SECTION: slashdot.org. 300 IN A 104.18.28.86 slashdot.org. 300 IN A 104.18.29.86 ;; Query time: 109 msec ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8) ;; WHEN: Fri Dec 09 14:45:42 MST 2022 ;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 73 The only "machine" I've tested on is my phone's browser, and it works fine. If you want, I can fire up my laptop and see what it does, but the fact that my phone can find slashdot strongly suggests that the issue is on this box only.

On 12/9/22 15:35, Tim via users wrote: Testing in a terminal, nslookup and ping both fail. I also have seamonkey installed and it can't find the site either.

On 12/09/2022 04:26 PM, Tim via users wrote: Done! After the edit, I disabled/enabled Networking. That did it. Not sure why, but I'm not complaining. Thanx!

On Sat, 10 Dec 2022 10:40:34 +1030 Tim via users wrote: I don't remember which fedora that abort nonsense first showed up in but none of my systems ever worked properly unless I removed it. I always wondered how it got to be the default when no name lookup ever worked on any system that was configured that way. You'd think someone would notice.

Tim: Sam Varshavchik: The /etc/nsswitch.conf file suggests otherwise, it's far from clear: # Example - obey only what nisplus tells us... #services: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #networks: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #protocols: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #rpc: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #ethers: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files #netmasks: nisplus [NOTFOUND=return] files The "obey only" suggests files will not be consulted. The behaviour of Joe's computer seems to indicate that kind of thing, too. Looking in the nsswitch.conf man file, I see: The ACTION value can be one of: return Return a result now. Do not call any further lookup functions. However, for compatibility reasons, if this is the selected action for the group database and the notfound status, and the configuration file does not contain the initgroups line, the next lookup function is always called, without affecting the search result. continue Call the next lookup function. The "return" action has conflicting information (do not all any further lookup functions / the next lookup function is always called), with some kind of exemption for "groups" lookup noted, but not other kinds. Putting "continue" in your configuration seems the more appropriate options, which I would have expected to be the default action, anyway (walk down the line of sources of data until you find an answer). As I said, things are far from clear. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.

Tim: Sam Varshavchik: I'd be very hard pressed to reach that conclusion reading the information in the file or the man page. It's far from coherently written, and this seems counter to your explanation: # The entry '[NOTFOUND=return]' means that the search for an # entry should stop if the search in the previous entry turned # up nothing. Note that if the search failed due to some other reason # (like no NIS server responding) then the search continues with the # next entry. With your further explanation the less-than-obvious reason for "mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return]" being here in the nsswitch.conf file: hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns myhostname is to stop DNS lookups of "something.local" kinds of names. Although the DNS resolver, itself, could be coded not to do that, and probably *should* be (since those addresses cannot ever be answered externally, and are a huge amount nuisance traffic on the internet). However, various people have found that it also puts the kybosh on normal DNS look-ups. Joe being just one. Though I wonder if his case was just the network restart was enough to kick things back into action, rather than editing the nsswitch.conf file? -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.

Tim: Tom Horsley: Curiosity makes me want to work out why. I'm beginning to wonder if: * Is mDNS is erroneously trying to resolve non .local domains when it can't? * Are people actually using .local as a top level domain?  (Where they should, and where they shouldn't) * Whether firewalls are getting in the way? Generally, you shouldn't be entering ".local" into configuration files. Certainly not into DNS or DHCP configurations. You should be configuring host names, then when you want to access something (webserver, SSH to the other PC, etc) you type hostname.local and mDNS resolves it. I don't make use of .local, or mDNS on my systems, but it is there on one PC, and some printers. I notice CUPS finds those printers in addition to the normal configuration, but they're not always usable. Though, CUPS in itself is getting flakey. Often it'll just refuse to print some jobs, go off and sulk. My router has a DHCP and DNS server, but they don't talk to each other, and there is no way to get it to resolve local domain names, so they're useless to me. Half-arsed is how I'd describe it. You can assign static addresses via DHCP but you can't get it to do anything with the host/domain names. I switch off its DHCP server and ignore its DNS server. Likewise, I ignore my ISPs bad DNS server. It's always been terrible, and it (obviously) can't resolve my local names. I have a server PC running 24/7, so I use it instead. It has BIND set up to resolve internet domain names like a real DNS server, and local domain names, and it's paired with my DHCP server. My DHCP server doles out fixed IPs to any device in residence here, and dynamic IPs to visiting devices. It updates dynamic records in my DNS server, but the static records are entered directly into the DNS server. I wish the DHCP server would do the static ones too, it'd be useful to configure all aspects of my LAN network in one place. I believe it can insert such records, but can't remove them (e.g. if you renumber your device IPs, you have to manually adjust your DNS zone file records). And everything "just works" as expected, reliably. I don't think I could use mDNS, even if I wanted to. There are various devices, here, which don't know anything about it. So they'd be non- working in no-mans land. You'd need to run mDNS and real DNS and DHCP, or manually configuring half the things and playing with hosts files to get everything working. I can, however, completely ignore mDNS, and everything will work. I dread the day I have to use some device which has decided that DNS and DHCP are too old and only bothers to support mDNS. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list.   The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 6.0.10-200.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sat Nov 26 16:53:11 UTC 2022 x86_64

On 12/13/22 13:11, Tom Horsley wrote: I use freeipa.

This is an interesting thread. Is there a group on networking or servers. I am going to enjoy this. :) On Tue, Dec 13, 2022, 9:16 PM Mike Wright <nobody(a)nospam.hostisimo.com&gt; wrote:

I use digitalocean.com and run a “droplet”, 1GiB VM running fedora. Once you have fedora you can do what ever you want, i run apache httpd. I use ssl certs from lets encrypt for the domains i own. Cost in $5 or $6 a month. They support setting up a vm running fedora with ssh to root. After that is plain sailing to set up. Barry

Tim: Barry: Jeffrey Walton: Intriguing as they sound, I'm in Australia. While there's a certain amount of "I'd rather support a local business," it's more a case of if you want Google, et al, to recognise you as Australian you need to either have an Australian domain name, or be hosted by a service it recognises as being in Australia. I don't have an Australian domain name, it's just a simple dotcom. So I depend on being hosted locally. To register a com.au (or various other ***.au domains), you need to have a registered business name, or be some other officially registered entity (e.g a charity or non-profit-organisation for .org.au or .asn.au), or be a government agency (for .gov.au). I don't have a registered business name, trademark, or other similar thing, because I don't have to, and don't want all the other entanglements. Although I tend to agree with the stance of reserving .com.au for actual commercial websites, .org.au for other organisations, and making sure they're not fraudulent, *we* dont really have any good general- purpose info.au TLD for non-commercial, non-charity, non-personal usage. With, perhaps the exception of the new .au TLD without a prefix (e.g. example.au). The rules on that are less clear, but the price- gouging is no surprise. Australian organisations and businesses love to think that something is premium and must cost extra, while providing a low standard of service that would cost less elsewhere. But that means either changing domains, or adding a second one. Changing loses everything you built up. Doubling-up costs yet more money and doubles your received spam. So I guess I'm stuck with local hosting services, where you get a tiny amount of space, or a ridiculous bill. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.

On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 10:49 AM Tim via users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote: Off-topic... We host a free/open source project at IONOS (https://www.ionos.com/). We got an entire VM for $2.00 USD per month. It's a low-end VM, but it fits our needs to run a web site with static pages and a wiki (typical LAMP stack). We splurged and got the 4GB RAM+swap file for another $1.00 month. Jeff

Tim: Samuel Sieb: Yes, required manual intervention. But what will it do if you don't? -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.80.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Nov 8 15:48:59 UTC 2022 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2022 at 3:20 PM Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net&gt; wrote: Each printer gets a unique hostname. Then, you print using the hostname. It does not matter which IP address the machine gets. I guess the sharp edge in that design is, DHCP server must register entries in DNS. That's a common thing to do in Active Directory environments. Maybe not so common in the home router world. Jeff

On Dec 9, 2022, at 15:55, Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us&gt; wrote: You are running an OS that hasn’t seen any updates since 2017 (the 5 year anniversary for end of support is coming up on the 12th.) I’m amazed it even works with modern web sites. There is no point debugging it any further. Upgrade your OS. -- Jonathan Billings

On 12/09/2022 02:59 PM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Do you know why I haven't upgraded before this? If not, you're not in a position to decide when or if I upgrade. As I've said before, I will as soon as it's practical.

On 12/9/22 15:26, Jeffrey Walton wrote: Even so, I'd like to get it corrected instead of just giving up until I upgrade. And, it will be a learning experience. Even at 73, I'm still interested in learning new things.

On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 12:47:14 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: I've been there, the main problem is there are something like a dozen different services which may or may not be cacheing DNS information, and you have to figure out which ones are running and lookup how to make that one clear its cache, then do the same for all the others. nscd, systemd-resolved, dnsmasq, bind are just the ones I've run into before that I can remember, I think there are others as well.

On Fri, 2022-12-09 at 12:47 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: Is there anything useful in here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/systemd-resolved#Caching -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 6.0.10-200.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Sat Nov 26 16:53:11 UTC 2022 x86_64

So in F36, dnf whatprovides */resolvectl systemd-250.3-8.fc36.i686 : System and Service Manager Repo : fedora Matched from: Filename : /usr/bin/resolvectl Filename : /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/resolvectl systemd-250.3-8.fc36.x86_64 : System and Service Manager Repo : fedora Matched from: Filename : /usr/bin/resolvectl Filename : /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/resolvectl systemd-250.8-1.fc36.i686 : System and Service Manager Repo : updates Matched from: Filename : /usr/bin/resolvectl Filename : /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/resolvectl systemd-250.8-1.fc36.x86_64 : System and Service Manager Repo : @System Matched from: Filename : /usr/bin/resolvectl Filename : /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/resolvectl systemd-250.8-1.fc36.x86_64 : System and Service Manager Repo : updates Matched from: Filename : /usr/bin/resolvectl Filename : /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/resolvectl I don't know about F25. On Fri, Dec 9, 2022 at 4:00 PM Joe Zeff <joe(a)zeff.us&gt; wrote: