2:44 p.m.
I have some JPEG files on a Western Digital My cloud drive that I would
like to extract. I regret ever getting involved with it but now I need
to get the files off it and the software they provide to do that is for
Windows. Has anyone found a way to do this with Fedora, F-32 preferably?
Bob
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2:54 p.m.
On 9/28/20 3:44 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have some JPEG files on a Western Digital My cloud drive that I
would like to extract. I regret ever getting involved with it but now
I need to get the files off it and the software they provide to do
that is for Windows. Has anyone found a way to do this with Fedora,
F-32 preferably?
Bob
I had one several years ago. I used ssh access along with mounting via
NFS, A quick web search turned up:
https://community.wd.com/t/documentation-for-using-ssh/218556
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9:01 p.m.
On Mon, 2020-09-28 at 15:44 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have some JPEG files on a Western Digital My cloud drive that I
would like to extract. I regret ever getting involved with it but now
I need to get the files off it and the software they provide to do
that is for Windows. Has anyone found a way to do this with Fedora,
F-32 preferably?
I have done it in the past, though I've usually used such devices with
a Mac (which handle them easily, but the WD Cloud is crap at individual
users owning their own files).
If the device is set up properly (there's user-account options
available in its webpage interface), then they support Samba (SMB) and
can support NFS, can support FTP. Some may even have a rudimentary
file browser in their webpage interface.
If you're at the end of your tether, you can disassemble the cloud
device, and plug the hard drive into a spare SATA port on your
computer, or use one of those SATA to USB adaptors, and just mount the
drive. I've done that with a cloud that bricked itself, plugged it
into my Linux box, and double-clicked the icon that appeared on the
desktop for the large partition, and the system mounted it for me.
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10:58 a.m.
On 2020-09-28 22:01, Tim via users wrote:
If you're at the end of your tether, you can disassemble the
cloud
device, and plug the hard drive into a spare SATA port on your
computer, or use one of those SATA to USB adaptors, and just mount the
drive. I've done that with a cloud that bricked itself, plugged it
into my Linux box, and double-clicked the icon that appeared on the
desktop for the large partition, and the system mounted it for me.
.
Yes that sounds like the best option in this case. I am encouraged to
know that you actually did the same thing I have been considering. /I've
already wasted too much time looking at this problem whenever I had the
inclination to give it another try. I just want to get the filed off
this thing and will consider it an error in my judgement. I bought an
overpriced 4TB hard drive that I will use elsewhere and happily toss the
WD My Cloud housing in the trash.
The Apple iPhone does not keep the original file in memory long enough
to extract it to the Mycloud. I assume that is done to save memory in
the mobile device, it sends the original image to their iCloud server
and leaves smaller thumbnails in memory. Saving them to the Mycloud
requires they be downloaded from their server, I realized this after
letting the system run for a few days and watched the data usage numbers
on my Viasat internet climb way above my months allowance.
I also thank Mark Allman for the information he provided but immediately
got bogged down since access via ssh is disabled in it by default and it
require a Mac device to enable that which I can't deal with presently,
Too many obstacles.
Thank you Tim.
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10:03 p.m.
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 11:58 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I just want to get the filed off this thing and will consider it an
error in my judgement. I bought an overpriced 4TB hard drive that I
will use elsewhere and happily toss the WD My Cloud housing in the
trash.
The idea of a small network storage device sounds good to a lot of
people, myself included. But you soon find these things are annoying
to use in various ways.
If you have a full computer running 24/7 as a server, you're better off
to add a big data-only drive to it, and use it. At least you can make
an ordinary Linux install do what you want it to.
I don't know why they call these little boxes cloud servers. You can't
run software on them, they're just storage. Well, you can hack them.
But the idea of cloud computing was that you could start running
something on one cloud device, then float it over to another device on
demand. These things can't do that.
The Apple iPhone does not keep the original file in memory long
enough to extract it to the Mycloud. I assume that is done to save
memory in the mobile device, it sends the original image to their
iCloud server and leaves smaller thumbnails in memory.
That's probably configurable, or ought to be.
It should be possible to configure the cloud device into a reasonable
configuration (so long as they haven't taken away features, which is
why some people don't let them auto-update their firmware).
Once you know the IP for the device, you can simply open that address
in your webbrowser and use the device's in-built webserver to change
the settings. If you wade around, you'll find NFS, SSH, FTP, and other
options you can switch on. I turned off lots of useless things, to me,
like itunes, media servers, etc., to stop it wasting time indexing the
drive.
They tend to stick everything in a Public folder where everyone can
read and write to. If you set up individual users, you can have
personal storage spaces in their own names. However, you often find
they still have read/write permissions for everyone. They rely on
intermediate serving software to apply access restrictions in the
middle.
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7:18 a.m.
On 2020-09-29 23:03, Tim via users wrote:
On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 11:58 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I just want to get the filed off this thing and will consider it an
> error in my judgement. I bought an overpriced 4TB hard drive that I
> will use elsewhere and happily toss the WD My Cloud housing in the
> trash.
The idea of a small network storage device sounds good to a lot of
people, myself included. But you soon find these things are annoying
to use in various ways.
.
You also find that the design features change with time. This one no
longer exists so those changes not a concern for me. It could not be
disassembled as shewn in a video I found on line. We used a band saw to
slice off three edges since the circuit board does not simply slide out
once the end cover is pied off, the remainder is just removal of screws,
leaving what appears to be atypical desktop drive.
I need to find the external housing I plan on using to run it rather
than put it in a computer at this time. Much of my computer stuff is
stored in the attic since a new hardwood floor installation project and
I need help finding things so that may have to wait until others return
from vacation in a few days.
.
/I have other things that should work however Apple reuses to work with
NFS leaving Samba the best option I have it seems. From my experience
the best Samba related storage scheme is the router with it's USB port.
I have never been able to make that work on the ASUS router I'm using
presently. I intend to deal with that next./
If you have a full computer running 24/7 as a server, you're better off
to add a big data-only drive to it, and use it. At least you can make
an ordinary Linux install do what you want it to.
I don't know why they call these little boxes cloud servers. You can't
run software on them, they're just storage. Well, you can hack them.
But the idea of cloud computing was that you could start running
something on one cloud device, then float it over to another device on
demand. These things can't do that.
> The Apple iPhone does not keep the original file in memory long
> enough to extract it to the Mycloud. I assume that is done to save
> memory in the mobile device, it sends the original image to their
> iCloud server and leaves smaller thumbnails in memory.
That's probably configurable, or ought to be.
.
The equipment may be reconfigurable but the users may not be. From my
observations there are enough difficulties in getting the user systems
working as they want them to that they wont change what works for them.
i have met resistance there.
It should be possible to configure the cloud device into a reasonable
configuration (so long as they haven't taken away features, which is
why some people don't let them auto-update their firmware).
Once you know the IP for the device, you can simply open that address
in your webbrowser and use the device's in-built webserver to change
the settings. If you wade around, you'll find NFS, SSH, FTP, and other
options you can switch on. I turned off lots of useless things, to me,
like itunes, media servers, etc., to stop it wasting time indexing the
drive.
.
The ip's are assigned by the router dhcp server and are always known.
before yesterday's actions, there was access through my browser and WD's
Mycloud server somewhere and with a lot of fiddling I could display
trial images I had stored on the the unit on my desk, it was horribly
slow and erratic in operation, of no use to me.
They tend to stick everything in a Public folder where everyone can
read and write to. If you set up individual users, you can have
personal storage spaces in their own names. However, you often find
they still have read/write permissions for everyone. They rely on
intermediate serving software to apply access restrictions in the
middle.
.
My needs would be satisfied wit everything in a Public partition, they
can create their own sub directories and put stuff where they like, it
is all family users and no outside internet connection. It should be
easy to use for all users ...
Thanks for the helpful advice, Bob
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9:29 a.m.
On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 09:19, Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)fastmail.us> wrote:
On 2020-09-29 23:03, Tim via users wrote:
> On Tue, 2020-09-29 at 11:58 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>> I just want to get the filed off this thing and will consider it an
>> error in my judgement. I bought an overpriced 4TB hard drive that I
>> will use elsewhere and happily toss the WD My Cloud housing in the
>> trash.
> The idea of a small network storage device sounds good to a lot of
> people, myself included. But you soon find these things are annoying
> to use in various ways.
.
You also find that the design features change with time. This one no
longer exists so those changes not a concern for me. It could not be
disassembled as shewn in a video I found on line. We used a band saw to
slice off three edges since the circuit board does not simply slide out
once the end cover is pied off, the remainder is just removal of screws,
leaving what appears to be atypical desktop drive.
Sometimes these appliances have drives with custom firmware, so it
would be a good idea to see if the model is one that has been sold to
consumers, and also see if smartmontools recognizes the drive.
I need to find the external housing I plan on using to run it rather
than put it in a computer at this time.
There is a wide range of quality in external housings. Some have
shoddy USB controllers and power supplies that don't last and can't
be replaced without hacking cables and connectors.
Much of my computer stuff is
stored in the attic since a new hardwood floor installation project and
I need help finding things so that may have to wait until others return
from vacation in a few days.
.
/I have other things that should work however Apple reuses to work with
NFS leaving Samba the best option I have it seems. From my experience
the best Samba related storage scheme is the router with it's USB port.
I have never been able to make that work on the ASUS router I'm using
presently. I intend to deal with that next./
By "Apple" do you mean iOS or macOS? macOS does have NFS (Apple uses
BSD's implementation) as well as Apple's own Windows file sharing
(SMB/CIFS)
client/server that works with Samba. Recent versions of the iOS Files App
claimi
to be able to connect to SMB servers. It may be useful to know that iOS
13 can
mount external USB drives, and that 14 added APFS encrypted drive support.
>
> If you have a full computer running 24/7 as a server, you're better off
> to add a big data-only drive to it, and use it. At least you can make
> an ordinary Linux install do what you want it to.
> I don't know why they call these little boxes cloud servers. You can't
> run software on them, they're just storage. Well, you can hack them.
> But the idea of cloud computing was that you could start running
> something on one cloud device, then float it over to another device on
> demand. These things can't do that.
>
>> The Apple iPhone does not keep the original file in memory long
>> enough to extract it to the Mycloud. I assume that is done to save
>> memory in the mobile device, it sends the original image to their
>> iCloud server and leaves smaller thumbnails in memory.
> That's probably configurable, or ought to be.
.
The equipment may be reconfigurable but the users may not be. From my
observations there are enough difficulties in getting the user systems
working as they want them to that they wont change what works for them.
i have met resistance there.
Yes -- Apple seems to attract users who just want to do things and not mess
with change.
>
> It should be possible to configure the cloud device into a reasonable
> configuration (so long as they haven't taken away features, which is
> why some people don't let them auto-update their firmware).
>
> Once you know the IP for the device, you can simply open that address
> in your webbrowser and use the device's in-built webserver to change
> the settings. If you wade around, you'll find NFS, SSH, FTP, and other
> options you can switch on. I turned off lots of useless things, to me,
> like itunes, media servers, etc., to stop it wasting time indexing the
> drive.
.
The ip's are assigned by the router dhcp server and are always known.
before yesterday's actions, there was access through my browser and WD's
Mycloud server somewhere and with a lot of fiddling I could display
trial images I had stored on the the unit on my desk, it was horribly
slow and erratic in operation, of no use to me.
>
> They tend to stick everything in a Public folder where everyone can
> read and write to. If you set up individual users, you can have
> personal storage spaces in their own names. However, you often find
> they still have read/write permissions for everyone. They rely on
> intermediate serving software to apply access restrictions in the
> middle.
> .
My needs would be satisfied wit everything in a Public partition, they
can create their own sub directories and put stuff where they like, it
is all family users and no outside internet connection. It should be
easy to use for all users ...
The weak point with external drives is the "system board" and power
supply. An internal drive in a robust server is less prone to fail at
awkward times. You might want to look into an external RAID (usually
decent quality hardware) or a second drive used to backup the primary.
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