I can't find the awesfx package for Fedora 10, and nothing in the Fedora or RPMFusion repositories provides the file "*/asfxload" or "*/sfxload"
These executables are REQUIRED for loading samples into an EMU10k soundcard's wavetable synth, and hence are required for hardware MIDI support.
Where did this package go? If I remember, Fedora 8 had it for instance. I've tried building it myself to no avail.
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:56:19 +0100, Paul wrote:
I can't find the awesfx package for Fedora 10, and nothing in the Fedora or RPMFusion repositories provides the file "*/asfxload" or "*/sfxload"
These executables are REQUIRED for loading samples into an EMU10k soundcard's wavetable synth, and hence are required for hardware MIDI support.
Where did this package go? If I remember, Fedora 8 had it for instance. I've tried building it myself to no avail.
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
It's marked "dead.package". See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131
I no longer have any SB AWE/EMU10k cards, so I don't know what is used to load soundfonts to them nowadays.
On Monday 22 December 2008, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:56:19 +0100, Paul wrote:
I can't find the awesfx package for Fedora 10, and nothing in the Fedora or RPMFusion repositories provides the file "*/asfxload" or "*/sfxload"
These executables are REQUIRED for loading samples into an EMU10k soundcard's wavetable synth, and hence are required for hardware MIDI support.
Where did this package go? If I remember, Fedora 8 had it for instance. I've tried building it myself to no avail.
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
It's marked "dead.package". See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131
That is bs Michael. There are a kajillion of those cards in the field. I have an Audigy2 value myself, and have no intention of going back to a 16 bit card with no headroom.
I no longer have any SB AWE/EMU10k cards, so I don't know what is used to load soundfonts to them nowadays.
That is the tool used to do that, the only one AFAIK. And in F8, on an amd phenom running 32 bit, it still works great as a soundfont loader even if midi doesn't. I thought that 32 bit stuff would run on 64 bit even if the os was 64 bit?
So whats the deal? Why is this code being thrown away when there apparently is no replacement? This card was for sale at Circuit City as little as 3 years ago, and its a GREAT card.
This has the same sour flavoring to it as the intentional video API changes that broke the nvidia binaries a year ago. You I think, hoped to force nvidia to open up their code in order to get the market back. Tain't happened, and likely never will cuz they don't write their own code in the first place. In the end, all you have done is crippled the machines of the people who refuse to put up with Bills BS OS.
Everybody said AMD was telling you how to write drivers for their cards now, but it hasn't happened, there are no fully functioning drivers yet for the utility grade video card sold by the millions as the HD2400-Pro. Radeonhd can't even do a stable screen, occasionally going totally blanking barzackers if an image goes even one pixel beyond the edge of the screen, full screening an app such as yumex will trigger it occasionally. I have asked on this list, and on the xorg list, what AMD/ATI card I should buy that actually works, and the only suggestion was for a card that was both several hundred dollars when it was being sold, and out of stock in the supply chains 2+ years already so there was zero chance I could actually obtain one.
I have, in the last year, spent about a kilobuck on hardware, now an AMD 4 core phenom & 4Gb of dram with a new pci-e video card, new hard drives & a modern 1680x1050 lcd monitor, and while I have a faster machine, it cannot do 2/3rds of the stuff I COULD do on an old AMD XP2800 with 1Gb of dram, running fedora 2. Here is a partial list.
Then I could watch tv from my pcHDTV-3000 card, now I can't, ntsc or atsc.
Then I could play a midi file just by clicking on it, now the system doesn't know what to do with a .mid file.
Then .wmv's used to play from web links, and now I have to download the file if I can get FF to download it, then feed it to vlc by hand.
The side effects of pulseaudio, even if disabled, have ruined the audio experience for a linux user.
I can't add another printer to cups, operation not permitted, so I can't use a 22ppm laser printer, and no one can tell me where that error message even comes from, etc etc.
The only thing I _can do now_ that I couldn't before is, using the latest wine, is run googles's Sketchup, which was the driving force behind my investing in newer hardware that might well outlive me. Everything else has been 1 step forward, but 2 or 3 backwards as the machines abilities are ever more crippled.
This is not progress, and this camper isn't happy hearing that yet another great piece of hardware is being tossed in the recycle bin, 5 years or more before normal attrition would put it there.
Whatever it is that the developers are smoking that makes them feel this is a good deal, I don't want to even be in the same room with. It may smell and taste great, but its obviously not the Right Stuff.
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:44:28 -0500, Gene wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
It's marked "dead.package". See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131
That is bs Michael. There are a kajillion of those cards in the field. I have an Audigy2 value myself, and have no intention of going back to a 16 bit card with no headroom.
Well, I just pointed to the ticket where people killed this pkg. Talk to them if you believe they've done a mistake.
On Monday 22 December 2008, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:44:28 -0500, Gene wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
It's marked "dead.package". See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131
That is bs Michael. There are a kajillion of those cards in the field. I have an Audigy2 value myself, and have no intention of going back to a 16 bit card with no headroom.
Well, I just pointed to the ticket where people killed this pkg. Talk to them if you believe they've done a mistake.
I just did that again, and it tells me my password to bz has expired! Or has the site been hacked?
Is Bill Nottingham reading this list?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:31:51 -0500, Gene wrote:
On Monday 22 December 2008, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:44:28 -0500, Gene wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
It's marked "dead.package". See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131
That is bs Michael. There are a kajillion of those cards in the field. I have an Audigy2 value myself, and have no intention of going back to a 16 bit card with no headroom.
Well, I just pointed to the ticket where people killed this pkg. Talk to them if you believe they've done a mistake.
I just did that again, and it tells me my password to bz has expired! Or has the site been hacked?
It's possible to reset the password or request a new one, isn't it? If you haven't logged in for many months, it may be necessary now. A lot has happened.
On Monday 22 December 2008, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:31:51 -0500, Gene wrote:
On Monday 22 December 2008, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:44:28 -0500, Gene wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
It's marked "dead.package". See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131
That is bs Michael. There are a kajillion of those cards in the field. I have an Audigy2 value myself, and have no intention of going back to a 16 bit card with no headroom.
Well, I just pointed to the ticket where people killed this pkg. Talk to them if you believe they've done a mistake.
I just did that again, and it tells me my password to bz has expired! Or has the site been hacked?
It's possible to reset the password or request a new one, isn't it? If you haven't logged in for many months, it may be necessary now. A lot has happened.
I did, and lodged a complaint.
On Monday 22 December 2008 15:25, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:44:28 -0500, Gene wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
It's marked "dead.package". See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131
That is bs Michael. There are a kajillion of those cards in the field. I have an Audigy2 value myself, and have no intention of going back to a 16 bit card with no headroom.
Well, I just pointed to the ticket where people killed this pkg. Talk to them if you believe they've done a mistake.
Hi Michael.
I have seen packages dropped from Fedora before now. Alsaplayer, as an example. But in that case there were other players available, but no consolation to folks that used, and liked Alsaplayer.
In the case of the awesfx package, it is the only one available to load .sf2 soundfonts for those users that have an audigy card (emu10k1), including myself.
I do find the statement below by Martin Stransky below, a bit over the top, and am at a loss as to how he has concluded that awesfx is obsolete, and no longer needed.
<quote from bugzilla above> Comment #9 From Martin Stransky 2008-04-09 14:54:36 EDT -------
I think we can remove the awesfx package from distro. It's quite obsolete now... <end quote>
Just out of interest I fired up my Ubuntu 8.10 install, which is using the 2.6.27-7-generic kernel, and awesfx is available, and have just installed it with no problems. I can't try loading a soundfont, as my audigy2 soundblaster card (emu10k1) is on a different machine, but don't see any problems in doing so.
If Ubuntu can continue to provide the awesfx package on their latest release (Intrepid Ibex 8.10), it is a bit puzzling why Fedora have decided to remove it, when so many folks (Gene included), are still using audigy (emu10k1) soundcards, which are well supported by Alsa.
Just some comments from a Fedora user.
Nigel.
If Ubuntu can continue to provide the awesfx package on their latest release (Intrepid Ibex 8.10), it is a bit puzzling why Fedora have decided to remove it, when so many folks (Gene included), are still using audigy (emu10k1) soundcards, which are well supported by Alsa.
Just some comments from a Fedora user.
If you have the hardware and you think awesfx is needed on Fedora then one option is to become a package maintainer and maintain that package.
Alan
Alan Cox a écrit :
If Ubuntu can continue to provide the awesfx package on their latest release (Intrepid Ibex 8.10), it is a bit puzzling why Fedora have decided to remove it, when so many folks (Gene included), are still using audigy (emu10k1) soundcards, which are well supported by Alsa.
Just some comments from a Fedora user.
If you have the hardware and you think awesfx is needed on Fedora then one option is to become a package maintainer and maintain that package.
Alan
Nigel and Gene,
should we take this convo off line and take over maintenance. I don't know how to do it but willing to step in and help, do whatever it takes.
cheers
Thierry
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:00:58 +0000, Alan wrote:
If Ubuntu can continue to provide the awesfx package on their latest release (Intrepid Ibex 8.10), it is a bit puzzling why Fedora have decided to remove it, when so many folks (Gene included), are still using audigy (emu10k1) soundcards, which are well supported by Alsa.
Just some comments from a Fedora user.
If you have the hardware and you think awesfx is needed on Fedora then one option is to become a package maintainer and maintain that package.
Alan
Interestingly, over a month ago somebody has requested awesfx to return: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/470642
On Monday 22 December 2008 19:00, Alan Cox wrote:
If Ubuntu can continue to provide the awesfx package on their latest release (Intrepid Ibex 8.10), it is a bit puzzling why Fedora have decided to remove it, when so many folks (Gene included), are still using audigy (emu10k1) soundcards, which are well supported by Alsa.
Just some comments from a Fedora user.
If you have the hardware and you think awesfx is needed on Fedora then one option is to become a package maintainer and maintain that package.
Alan
I am neither a programmer, or a package manager. I 'm just an ordinary Fedora user. I've been using Fedora since Fedora Core 1, and awesfx was available then, and I was, and still am gratefull for being able to use this program to load soundfonts.
If the Ubuntu packagers for Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex 8.10, still have awesfx available on their repo's, what exactly is the problem with Fedora doing the same?
Nigel.
On Monday 22 December 2008, Thierry wrote:
Alan Cox a écrit :
If Ubuntu can continue to provide the awesfx package on their latest release (Intrepid Ibex 8.10), it is a bit puzzling why Fedora have decided to remove it, when so many folks (Gene included), are still using audigy (emu10k1) soundcards, which are well supported by Alsa.
Just some comments from a Fedora user.
If you have the hardware and you think awesfx is needed on Fedora then one option is to become a package maintainer and maintain that package.
Alan
Nigel and Gene,
should we take this convo off line and take over maintenance. I don't know how to do it but willing to step in and help, do whatever it takes.
cheers
Thierry
Be my guest Thierry, and with my thanks.
There might have been a time when I might have tackled it as I have walked around in and emitted some C code when I was in my early 60's, but that was both on simpler hardware, and something over a decade ago now, and what I see being called C today bears little resemblence to the simplistic K&R I cut my teeth on 20+ years ago.
Nigel Henry wrote: On Monday 22 December 2008 15:25, Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:44:28 -0500, Gene wrote:
Does anyone know where I can find an x86_64 awesfx package for Fedora 10?
It's marked "dead.package". See: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131 [1]
That is bs Michael. There are a kajillion of those cards in the field. I have an Audigy2 value myself, and have no intention of going back to a 16 bit card with no headroom.
Well, I just pointed to the ticket where people killed this pkg. Talk to them if you believe they've done a mistake.
Hi Michael.
I have seen packages dropped from Fedora before now. Alsaplayer, as an example. But in that case there were other players available, but no consolation to folks that used, and liked Alsaplayer.
In the case of the awesfx package, it is the only one available to load .sf2 soundfonts for those users that have an audigy card (emu10k1), including myself.
I do find the statement below by Martin Stransky below, a bit over the top, and am at a loss as to how he has concluded that awesfx is obsolete, and no longer needed.
Comment #9 From Martin Stransky 2008-04-09 14:54:36 EDT -------
I think we can remove the awesfx package from distro. It's quite obsolete now...
Just out of interest I fired up my Ubuntu 8.10 install, which is using the 2.6.27-7-generic kernel, and awesfx is available, and have just installed it with no problems. I can't try loading a soundfont, as my audigy2 soundblaster card (emu10k1) is on a different machine, but don't see any problems in doing so.
If Ubuntu can continue to provide the awesfx package on their latest release (Intrepid Ibex 8.10), it is a bit puzzling why Fedora have decided to remove it, when so many folks (Gene included), are still using audigy (emu10k1) soundcards, which are well supported by Alsa.
Just some comments from a Fedora user.
Nigel.
Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines [2]
I have tested the tools on an x86_64 Ubuntu 8.10 install, and it functions flawlessly.
I've also added a refuting comment to that redhat bug. I would be interested in how exactly one can call a functionally-critical application obsolete when it has no replacement, unless we were also planning on killing the emu10k kernel support as well.
I would offer to maintain that package, but I'm not a developer. I tried to compile the software myself, but some GCC 4.x incompatibilities (I think?) and missing includes shot me down.
Links: ------ [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/405131 [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Paul (draeath) wrote:
I would offer to maintain that package, but I'm not a developer. I tried to compile the software myself, but some GCC 4.x incompatibilities (I think?) and missing includes shot me down.
... which is exactly why it got dropped, it didn't build, and nobody cared enough to fix it.
Try using the patches from the Ubuntu package, they must have gotten it to build somehow.
Kevin Kofler
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