11:21 a.m.
Hi William,
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:46 PM, William Biggs <kc8pdr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
I
personally like KDE. Because of its looks and it provides lot of
applications. Well some people prefer gnome due to ease of use.
Thanks,
Anoop
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11:36 a.m.
On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:16:26 pm William Biggs wrote:
I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
Short answer: xfce
Slightly longer answer: As an old friend used to say, "They are sort of like
women and politicians; the differences between them are not as great as they
would lead you to believe."
Better answer: Since Fedora makes it simple to switch between them, why not
try each one of them?
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11:44 a.m.
--- On Sat, 9/27/08, Carroll Grigsby <cgrigs(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Carroll Grigsby <cgrigs(a)earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: kde or gnome
To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora."
<fedora-list(a)redhat.com>
Date: Saturday, September 27, 2008, 12:36 PM
On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:16:26 pm William Biggs
wrote:
> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome
?
Short answer: xfce
I agree with this, having recently switched to xfce (from fvwm2). I still like my old
fvwm2, but xfce is neat and has a cleaner more professional-looking interface. One
drawback is that Fedora (disappointingly, IMO) does not come with this installation, so I
have been using Rahul Sundaram's F8 respin and upgrading to F9 via yum.
Of course, there is probably not much difference between any of them with regard to
functionality.
Trotter
1:06 p.m.
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 09:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
itsme_410(a)yahoo.com (Globe Trotter) wrote:
--- On Sat, 9/27/08, Carroll Grigsby <cgrigs(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> From: Carroll Grigsby <cgrigs(a)earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: kde or gnome
> To: "Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using
> Fedora." <fedora-list(a)redhat.com> Date: Saturday, September 27,
> 2008, 12:36 PM On Saturday 27 September 2008 12:16:26 pm William
> Biggs wrote:
> > I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome
> ?
>
> Short answer: xfce
I agree with this, having recently switched to xfce (from fvwm2). I
still like my old fvwm2, but xfce is neat and has a cleaner more
professional-looking interface. One drawback is that Fedora
(disappointingly, IMO) does not come with this installation, so I
have been using Rahul Sundaram's F8 respin and upgrading to F9 via
yum.
You can always use the F9 Xfce live to install:
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/
Or you can install with default gnome, and 'yum groupinstall XFCE' once
you are up on the net.
Of course, there is probably not much difference between any of them
with regard to functionality.
Trotter
kevin
11:47 a.m.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:16 AM, William Biggs <kc8pdr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
The default is Gnome. You setup KDE by personal choice... nothing else.
But you may not like the latest KDE release. Browse this archive and you'll
read for yourself.
~af
12:07 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 1:47 PM, Aldo Foot <lunixer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:16 AM, William Biggs
<kc8pdr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
>
The default is Gnome. You setup KDE by personal choice... nothing else.
But you may not like the latest KDE release. Browse this archive and you'll
read for yourself.
~af
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KDE ftw. It provides many useful applications and also it looks nice. KDE
4.1, the latest release is stable.
Although XFCE and Gnome are nice too, but my personal taste likes KDE the
most!
And I agree with Carol, why not try all of them and see for yourself?
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12:11 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 11:47 AM, Aldo Foot <lunixer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 9:16 AM, William Biggs
<kc8pdr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
>
The default is Gnome. You setup KDE by personal choice... nothing else.
But you may not like the latest KDE release. Browse this archive and you'll
read for yourself.
If you install from the KDE LiveCD, then you have KDE by default.
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12:32 p.m.
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 10:20 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Arthur Pemberton
<pemboa(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> If you install from the KDE LiveCD, then you have KDE by default.
You're correct. But how many new user will first grab a KDE LiveCD? ;-)
Why wouldn't they? You get it from the same place. In fact it's the only
kind of Live CD I ever download (both Fedora and Kubuntu).
poc
1:04 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 10:20 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If you install from the KDE LiveCD, then you have KDE by default.
>
> You're correct. But how many new user will first grab a KDE LiveCD? ;-)
Why wouldn't they? You get it from the same place. In fact it's the only
kind of Live CD I ever download (both Fedora and Kubuntu).
poc
But then again _you know_ exactly what you're downloading and why.
Normally the non-Initiated looks for something with the word 'install' in it and
if they go to Fedora's site the first option they see is Install Media then at
the bottom they see the KDE Live media.
~af
12:33 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Aldo Foot <lunixer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Arthur Pemberton
<pemboa(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> If you install from the KDE LiveCD, then you have KDE by default.
You're correct. But how many new user will first grab a KDE LiveCD? ;-)
Anyone who specifically asks like the OP
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3:57 p.m.
Aldo Foot wrote:
But how many new user will first grab a KDE LiveCD? ;-)
I've come to the conclusion that using a LiveCD
(KDE Live CD in my case)
is easily the simplest way to install KDE.
For one thing, you can see if there are major problems
before you install.
Also you can get it on a reasonably sized USB stick
if you want.
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5:09 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Aldo Foot <lunixer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Arthur Pemberton
<pemboa(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> If you install from the KDE LiveCD, then you have KDE by default.
You're correct. But how many new user will first grab a KDE LiveCD? ;-)
Anybody who asks me for a copy of Fedora (or Linux) will get one.
4:04 p.m.
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
Such questions are a matter of personal taste.
I agree, but it would be interesting to know
what proportion of Fedora users choose each
(and xfce).
I assume this would be known fairly accurately
from the semi-automatic feedback when Fedora is installed?
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4:11 p.m.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Timothy Murphy <gayleard(a)eircom.net> wrote:
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
>
> Such questions are a matter of personal taste.
I agree, but it would be interesting to know
what proportion of Fedora users choose each
(and xfce).
I assume this would be known fairly accurately
from the semi-automatic feedback when Fedora is installed?
I suspect about 65% Gnome, 35% KDE. Maybe lower ffor KDE. Fedora has a
history in the public eye of being anti KDE unfortunately.
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6:24 p.m.
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Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Timothy Murphy
<gayleard(a)eircom.net> wrote:
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>
>>> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
>> Such questions are a matter of personal taste.
> I agree, but it would be interesting to know
> what proportion of Fedora users choose each
> (and xfce).
>
> I assume this would be known fairly accurately
> from the semi-automatic feedback when Fedora is installed?
I suspect about 65% Gnome, 35% KDE. Maybe lower ffor KDE. Fedora has a
history in the public eye of being anti KDE unfortunately.
The 'history' about KDE is FUD BTW.
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9:21 p.m.
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Arthur Pemberton wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Timothy Murphy <gayleard(a)eircom.net> wrote:
>> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>
>>>> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
>>> Such questions are a matter of personal taste.
>> I agree, but it would be interesting to know
>> what proportion of Fedora users choose each
>> (and xfce).
>>
>> I assume this would be known fairly accurately
>> from the semi-automatic feedback when Fedora is installed?
>
>
>
> I suspect about 65% Gnome, 35% KDE. Maybe lower ffor KDE. Fedora has a
> history in the public eye of being anti KDE unfortunately.
The 'history' about KDE is FUD BTW.
Not entirely, but either way, such no longer exists.
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1:25 a.m.
This topic deserves no further discussion if one point is put across that: a
newbie would find Gnome easier to settle down and KDE, in general, gives one
more choices and power.
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram <metherid(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Timothy Murphy wrote:
>
> I assume this would be known fairly accurately
> from the semi-automatic feedback when Fedora is installed?
>
>
If you are talking about Smolt, it doesnt collect this information.
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1:28 a.m.
zhanhui li wrote:
This topic deserves no further discussion if one point is put across
that: a newbie would find Gnome easier to settle down and KDE, in
general, gives one more choices and power.
You are replying about a mail regarding Smolt and your reply doesn't
seem to be related to that. Avoid top posting as well.
Rahul
10:19 p.m.
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 12:16 -0400, William Biggs wrote:
I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
Gnome, of course... I say that just to stick fingers up the various KDE
fanboys on this list. There's plenty that extoll it's virtues (that I
don't care for - it emphasises prettiness and endless fiddling over
actually using the computer, and the current incarnation is far from
ready for use), compared against fewer people that evangelise Gnome over
KDE.
But being more serious. Fedora uses Gnome by default, the documentation
shows you how to use it with Gnome, much of the configuration uses Gnome
tools, etc. The other window managers are *alternatives*. If you're
starting out as a Linux newbie, and want an easier start, it's probably
much easier to do so with Gnome. Then once you've got your footing, you
can try out the alternatives.
I've tried and used several window managers. KDE is a time waster,
Gnome just works. Some of the lighter weight ones don't work, without a
big fight, with recent versions of Fedora (which seems to depend on
Gnome or KDE triggering off a few things that says the current user of
the console should have sound, should connect to a network, should mount
an inserted disc, etc.). When you use some alternative window managers,
you have to handle all of that yourself, manually.
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11:42 a.m.
On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 8:19 PM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
But being more serious. Fedora uses Gnome by default, the
documentation
shows you how to use it with Gnome, much of the configuration uses Gnome
tools, etc. The other window managers are *alternatives*. If you're
starting out as a Linux newbie, and want an easier start, it's probably
much easier to do so with Gnome. Then once you've got your footing, you
can try out the alternatives.
Gnome is better for a linux newbie. They don't know the difference between
Desktop Managers (DM), but a Sys Admin does. If you install a new system and
ask them: "...and what DM will you like to use today?", the response will be
a blank face followed by a prolonged "Huhhh....". For what I read lately
Gnome has Fire-And-Forget capabilities. So I'd just give them Gnome.
I've tried and used several window managers. KDE is a time
waster,
Gnome just works. Some of the lighter weight ones don't work, without a
big fight, with recent versions of Fedora (which seems to depend on
Gnome or KDE triggering off a few things that says the current user of
the console should have sound, should connect to a network, should mount
an inserted disc, etc.). When you use some alternative window managers,
you have to handle all of that yourself, manually.
I started using Linux on text terminals... monochrome. Then one day I discovered
graphical linux and started using Gnome, but I found it annoying that I had to
open a new xterm for every other thing. I tried KDE and it gave me tabbed
xterms, and that was it.
I have used KDE for as long as I can remember and the only thing that it does
not do is to say "Hello Master..." when I log into my system; could they add
this feature? :-)
I have concluded that the more you use the desktop features of a DM
the more likely you'll get the point-and-click syndrome. For experienced
users a GUI is an optional thing. Isn't the idea of a pretty DM
aimed at giving Linux a nice appearance? It works well with new users.
BTW - I used F8 and have not tried KDE 4.x yet.
~af
3:23 p.m.
Aldo Foot wrote:
Gnome is better for a linux newbie. They don't know the
difference between
Desktop Managers (DM), but a Sys Admin does. If you install a new system
and
ask them: "...and what DM will you like to use today?", the response will
be a blank face followed by a prolonged "Huhhh....". For what I read
lately Gnome has Fire-And-Forget capabilities. So I'd just give them
Gnome.
This manages to be both patronizing and misleading.
A "system administrator" who actually asked a user (newbie of not)
"what DM do you want to use today"
would thereby prove himself utterly incompetent.
In any case, most Linux (and Fedora) users
are their own system administrators,
so the issue simply does not arise in this way.
I'm always amazed at the number of people
who feel they know exactly what "newbies" should do,
without as far as I can see ever taking any steps
to find out what these users actually want or need.
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4:21 p.m.
I'm running F9 and I would like to switch from gnome to kde,
but I have not figured out how that is done. Can someone
explain how?
Thanks.
4:35 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
At 05:21 PM 9/28/2008, Dave Feustel wrote:
>>>>
I'm running F9 and I would like to switch from gnome to kde,
but I have not figured out how that is done. Can someone
explain how?
<<<<<
Good evening, Dave.
First of all, you need to have KDE installed, if it is not already
installed. It isn't installed by default, in an initial F9
installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development""
("yum
groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
Then, you have one of two ways: switchdesk, or selecting it in a
little box on login.
switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that
and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum
groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
"yum install switchdesk" first.
The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
you have installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that
box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
Note that you could use the graphical "Add/Remove Software" to do all
the KDE installation (and installation of other things like
switchdesk), but I have had that crash on me once too many times, in
the middle of a software install session, leaving things in an
indeterminate state. So, I use "Add/Remove Software" to get a list
of everything I need to add, then I use the command line "yum
install..." or "yum groupinstall..." to do the actual installation.
Hope this helps...
4:56 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:35 PM, Eric <spamsink(a)scoot.netis.com> wrote:
At 05:21 PM 9/28/2008, Dave Feustel wrote:
>>>>>
> I'm running F9 and I would like to switch from gnome to kde,
> but I have not figured out how that is done. Can someone
> explain how?
>
<<<<<
Good evening, Dave.
First of all, you need to have KDE installed, if it is not already
installed. It isn't installed by default, in an initial F9 installation.
So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal window, and say "yum
groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development"" ("yum groupinstall
KDE" may also
work but I didn't try that).
Then, you have one of two ways: switchdesk, or selecting it in a little box
on login.
switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself, open up
a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that and KDE
isn't
installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum groupinstall "KDE
Software Development"" to install KDE.
If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say "yum
install switchdesk" first.
The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen but
before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear at the
bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops you have
installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that box, and from then
on, until you change it, all of your logins will be to KDE (again, as long
as you have KDE installed).
Note that you could use the graphical "Add/Remove Software" to do all the
KDE installation (and installation of other things like switchdesk), but I
have had that crash on me once too many times, in the middle of a software
install session, leaving things in an indeterminate state. So, I use
"Add/Remove Software" to get a list of everything I need to add, then I use
the command line "yum install..." or "yum groupinstall..." to do the
actual
installation.
Hope this helps...
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very simple:
open a terminal and do:
$ su -c "yum groupinstall kde-desktop"
<your root password>
note: "KDE Software Development" installed -devel packages which you don't
need if you're not going to compile anything or develop on top of kde!
log out, choose "KDE" in login manager in in combo-box below, and then
login!
there you have KDE!
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5:43 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 05:35:13PM -0400, Eric wrote:
At 05:21 PM 9/28/2008, Dave Feustel wrote:
>>>>>
> I'm running F9 and I would like to switch from gnome to kde,
> but I have not figured out how that is done. Can someone
> explain how?
<<<<<
Good evening, Dave.
First of all, you need to have KDE installed, if it is not already
installed. It isn't installed by default, in an initial F9
installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development""
("yum
groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
Then, you have one of two ways: switchdesk, or selecting it in a little
box on login.
switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself, open
up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that and KDE
isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum groupinstall
"KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say "yum
install switchdesk" first.
The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen but
before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear at the
bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops you have
installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that box, and from
then on, until you change it, all of your logins will be to KDE (again,
as long as you have KDE installed).
Note that you could use the graphical "Add/Remove Software" to do all
the KDE installation (and installation of other things like switchdesk),
but I have had that crash on me once too many times, in the middle of a
software install session, leaving things in an indeterminate state. So,
I use "Add/Remove Software" to get a list of everything I need to add,
then I use the command line "yum install..." or "yum groupinstall..."
to
do the actual installation.
Hope this helps...
Thanks for the explanation. I managed to get kde installed via
add/remove..., and then selected kde prior to login. But kde is
even worse than gnome since it has nothing at all on the desktop
and I can't install icons either on the desktop or on the system panel
in either gnome or kde4 as I could in kde3. So I went back to gnome.
6:16 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
The current version of KDE 4.1 is terrible.
Everything I like about KDE 3.5 has been decimated.
Click on the "Configure Desktop" and the only thing
you can do is change the wall paper.
And if you need to actually configure the desktop, then
if you fumble around in the menus you'll find 2
"configure system" entries.
Desktop no longer means desktop - system no longer
means system.
They took a page from MS development - chop up the
existing application and rename the commands with
nonsensical names, add a couple of unnecessary features,
and you have a new release.
And if you haven't pissed the majority of your clients then
you're doing something wrong.
Dave Feustel wrote:
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 05:35:13PM -0400, Eric wrote:
> At 05:21 PM 9/28/2008, Dave Feustel wrote:
>
>
>> I'm running F9 and I would like to switch from gnome to kde,
>> but I have not figured out how that is done. Can someone
>> explain how?
>>
> <<<<<
>
> Good evening, Dave.
>
> First of all, you need to have KDE installed, if it is not already
> installed. It isn't installed by default, in an initial F9
> installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
> window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development""
("yum
> groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
>
> Then, you have one of two ways: switchdesk, or selecting it in a little
> box on login.
>
> switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself, open
> up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that and KDE
> isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum groupinstall
> "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
>
> If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say "yum
> install switchdesk" first.
>
> The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen but
> before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear at the
> bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops you have
> installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that box, and from
> then on, until you change it, all of your logins will be to KDE (again,
> as long as you have KDE installed).
>
> Note that you could use the graphical "Add/Remove Software" to do all
> the KDE installation (and installation of other things like switchdesk),
> but I have had that crash on me once too many times, in the middle of a
> software install session, leaving things in an indeterminate state. So,
> I use "Add/Remove Software" to get a list of everything I need to add,
> then I use the command line "yum install..." or "yum
groupinstall..." to
> do the actual installation.
>
> Hope this helps...
>
Thanks for the explanation. I managed to get kde installed via
add/remove..., and then selected kde prior to login. But kde is
even worse than gnome since it has nothing at all on the desktop
and I can't install icons either on the desktop or on the system panel
in either gnome or kde4 as I could in kde3. So I went back to gnome.
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7:04 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 00:48 +0100, José Matos wrote:
On Monday 29 September 2008 00:16:39 Agile Aspect wrote:
> The current version of KDE 4.1 is terrible.
>
> Everything I like about KDE 3.5 has been decimated.
Who needs soap-operas with these type of messages? :-)
----
seems to be a legitimate criticism. While I might disagree with the
overall sentiment expressed, clearly the whole GNOME or KDE (or FWM or
XFCE) are about expectations.
Clearly Apple and Microsoft have invested a lot of their development
resources towards a snazzy, 3 dimensional desktop and trying to move the
basic UI from the standards that developed in the 80's. Clearly KDE has
set their sights towards that end and in the interim, there are people
who don't see the value in the current feature regression of KDE.
I wish that KDE did a better job of promoting their vision for the
future so that we had a URL that we could point to in order to allay the
fears of those who are unhappy with the direction.
Craig
6:55 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Sun, Sep 28, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Agile Aspect <agile.aspect(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The current version of KDE 4.1 is terrible.
Please take this to a separate thread so that it can be properly
ignored. This thread is about switching from Gnome to KDE.
Thank you.
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1:54 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
Eric <spamsink <at> scoot.netis.com> writes:
installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development""
("yum
groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" to
the
average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
yum groupinstall kde-desktop
switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that
and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum
groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
"yum install switchdesk" first.
Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
you have installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that
box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
There's a third option, which I recommend:
su -
echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the following
contents:
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
DESKTOP="KDE"
That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default
desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how
the KDE live CD is set up.
Kevin Kofler
2:42 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 06:54:58PM +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Eric <spamsink <at> scoot.netis.com> writes:
> installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
> window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development""
("yum
> groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" to
the
average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
yum groupinstall kde-desktop
> switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
> open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that
> and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum
> groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
>
> If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
> "yum install switchdesk" first.
Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
> The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
> but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
> at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
> you have installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that
> box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
> be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
There's a third option, which I recommend:
su -
echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the following
contents:
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
DESKTOP="KDE"
That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default
desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how
the KDE live CD is set up.
Kevin Kofler
I just created this file and rebooted. After explicitly selecting kde as
the desktop, I logged in to find no panel, no icons on the desktop, and
a Mac-looking border around my sterm. KDE desktop seems to have a lot of
problems right now. I'm running kde 4.1.1 in 32-bit F9.
3:36 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Dave Feustel <dfeustel(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 06:54:58PM +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Eric <spamsink <at> scoot.netis.com> writes:
> > installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
> > window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre
Development"" ("yum
> > groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
>
> It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software
Development" to the
> average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
> regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
>
> > switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
> > open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that
> > and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum
> > groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
> >
> > If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
> > "yum install switchdesk" first.
>
> Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
>
> > The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
> > but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
> > at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
> > you have installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that
> > box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
> > be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
>
> There's a third option, which I recommend:
> su -
> echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>
> In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the following
> contents:
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> DESKTOP="KDE"
>
> That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default
> desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how
> the KDE live CD is set up.
>
> Kevin Kofler
I just created this file and rebooted. After explicitly selecting kde as
the desktop, I logged in to find no panel, no icons on the desktop, and
a Mac-looking border around my sterm. KDE desktop seems to have a lot of
problems right now. I'm running kde 4.1.1 in 32-bit F9.
That sounds like the failsafe, and not KDE
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3:45 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:54 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
Eric <spamsink <at> scoot.netis.com> writes:
> installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
> window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre Development""
("yum
> groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software Development" to
the
average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
yum groupinstall kde-desktop
> switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
> open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that
> and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum
> groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
>
> If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
> "yum install switchdesk" first.
Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
> The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
> but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
> at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
> you have installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that
> box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
> be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
There's a third option, which I recommend:
su -
echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
manger .
The latter can be brought up by the icon in the bottom panel of Gnome
Display Manager just before you enter the passwd.
In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the following
contents:
DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
DESKTOP="KDE"
That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default
desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how
the KDE live CD is set up.
Kevin Kofler
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4:17 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 03:45:48PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:54 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Eric <spamsink <at> scoot.netis.com> writes:
> > installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
> > window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre
Development"" ("yum
> > groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
>
> It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software
Development" to the
> average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
> regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
>
> > switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
> > open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try that
> > and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use "yum
> > groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
> >
> > If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
> > "yum install switchdesk" first.
>
> Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
>
> > The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
> > but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
> > at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
> > you have installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from that
> > box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
> > be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
>
> There's a third option, which I recommend:
> su -
> echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
manger .
The latter can be brought up by the icon in the bottom panel of Gnome
Display Manager just before you enter the passwd.
Ragardless, the kde4 desktop in F9 is quite broken as far as I can tell.
I find it hard to believe that any time was spent testing it before F9
was released.
>
> In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the following
> contents:
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> DESKTOP="KDE"
>
> That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default
> desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how
> the KDE live CD is set up.
>
> Kevin Kofler
>
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whole suaveness and decadence which abounds!!
=======================================================================
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4:30 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:17 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
Ragardless, the kde4 desktop in F9 is quite broken as far as I can
tell.
I find it hard to believe that any time was spent testing it before F9
was released.
----
that of course is a BGO
Fedora is leading edge and in that vein, often includes software that is
under active development. Testing is one of the reasons users provide
feedback.
In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
Craig
4:56 p.m.
New subject: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)
At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
>>>>
In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
<<<<<
What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest
KDE 3.x revision, for F9?
5:03 p.m.
New subject: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:56 -0400, Eric wrote:
At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
>>>>>
>In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
>with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
>regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
<<<<<
What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest
KDE 3.x revision, for F9?
----
there is no official way at all.
Fedora 9 was a full commitment to KDE 4
Craig
5:04 p.m.
New subject: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eric <spamsink(a)scoot.netis.com> wrote:
At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
>>>>>
>
> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
<<<<<
What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest KDE 3.x
revision, for F9?
The only way I know of to do so now is to compile it yourself.
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6:28 p.m.
New subject: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eric
<spamsink(a)scoot.netis.com> wrote:
> At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>
>> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
>> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
>> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
>
> <<<<<
>
> What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest KDE
3.x
> revision, for F9?
The only way I know of to do so now is to compile it yourself.
I just switched back to KDE3.x by reinstalling F8. What a relief. It is a
lot of work to do, but well worth it in my mind. Regardless of who is or
isn't at fault or if there was a communication issue, KDE4.1 isn't ready for
everyday use, at least not how I envision everyday use.
6:38 p.m.
New subject: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 19:28 -0400, linux guy wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eric
<spamsink(a)scoot.netis.com> wrote:
> At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
>
>>>>>>
>>
>> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than
finished and even
>> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be
significant feature
>> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
>
> <<<<<
>
> What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the
latest KDE 3.x
> revision, for F9?
The only way I know of to do so now is to compile it yourself.
I just switched back to KDE3.x by reinstalling F8. What a relief.
It is a lot of work to do, but well worth it in my mind. Regardless
of who is or isn't at fault or if there was a communication issue,
KDE4.1 isn't ready for everyday use, at least not how I envision
everyday use.
So it must be my imagination that I'm using it every day and have done
for a couple of months.
poc
6:53 p.m.
New subject: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
<pocallaghan(a)gmail.com>wrote:
So it must be my imagination that I'm using it every day and have
done
for a couple of months.
People used to use CP/M, MSDOS and Windows 2.0 too. It doesn't mean it was
a great experience.
I used F9 since early July. Its not for everyone. I have no doubt that
someday it will be a nice windows environment.
FWIW, I miss Dolphin in F8. I did a "yum install dolphin" but no luck.
8:22 p.m.
New subject: Reverting from KDE4 to KDE3 (was Switching to KDE)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:28 PM, linux guy <linuxguy123(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Eric <spamsink(a)scoot.netis.com> wrote:
> > At 05:30 PM 9/29/2008, Craig White wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>
> >> In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
> >> with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
> >> regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
> >
> > <<<<<
> >
> > What is the accepted way to revert from KDE 4.x back to the latest KDE
> > 3.x
> > revision, for F9?
>
> The only way I know of to do so now is to compile it yourself.
I just switched back to KDE3.x by reinstalling F8. What a relief. It is a
lot of work to do, but well worth it in my mind. Regardless of who is or
isn't at fault or if there was a communication issue, KDE4.1 isn't ready for
everyday use, at least not how I envision everyday use.
1. The only more that could be done was for the KDE team to take out a
full page ad in one or more publications
2. "read for everyday desktop" is high subjective
3. After having tried KDE 4 and deciding that it wasn't for you, you
did the best thing in returning to 8.
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5:31 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 02:30:25PM -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 17:17 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
> Ragardless, the kde4 desktop in F9 is quite broken as far as I can tell.
> I find it hard to believe that any time was spent testing it before F9
> was released.
----
that of course is a BGO
Fedora is leading edge and in that vein, often includes software that is
under active development. Testing is one of the reasons users provide
feedback.
In short, it was understood that KDE-4 was less than finished and even
with the release of KDE 4.1, there would still be significant feature
regression. It was a decision made by the KDE-Fedora team.
Craig
Understood. Konqueror 4.1 is by far the best browser I have used. The
only reason I brought up the apparent inability to add user icons to the
system panels is that that is the only feature I used in kde3 that
seems not to be available (yet) in kde4. I also have the impression
that kde has an ongoing problem with security. I gave up using both
kmail and then konsole because of security problems with both of those
programs. But I look foreward with anticipation to future releases of
bothh Fedora and KDE.
5:44 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
At 06:31 PM 9/29/2008, Dave Feustel wrote:
>>>>
The
only reason I brought up the apparent inability to add user icons to the
system panels is that that is the only feature I used in kde3 that
seems not to be available (yet) in kde4.
<<<<<
You can add icons to the desktop. There is an option there for also
adding icons to the panel. I don't know if that works because I
haven't tried it, but I have added many icons to the desktop.
It appears that you have to have the so-called "Kickoff Menu Style"
selected. You do that by right clicking on the little "f" symbol and
checking to see if "Switch to Kickoff Menu Style" or "Switch to
Classic Menu Style" appears in the popup list. If it says "Switch to
Classic Menu Style" then do nothing; you are already in the Kickoff
Menu Style. Otherwise, if it says "Switch to Kickoff Menu Style", click that.
Then, find the program whose icon you want to put on your desktop,
and right-click it. You'll get a list that includes "Add to
Favorites", "Add to Desktop", and "Add to Panel". The only one
I've
tried is "Add to Desktop" and that works.
Note that none of that works in the Classic Menu Style; right
clicking on something just brings up that program, just as if you had
left-clicked on it.
There is one thing I really miss in KDE4... the ability to rearrange
icons on the desktop by right clicking on the desktop and selecting
some kind of "arrange icons" capability. I *_REALLY_* miss that. I
cannot understand why they removed it.
6 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
At 06:44 PM 9/29/2008, Eric wrote:
>>>>
Note that none of that works in the Classic Menu Style; right
clicking on something just brings up that program, just as if you
had left-clicked on it.
<<<<<
Ah, but I just discovered that in the Classic Menu Style, you can
click on the icon and drag and drop it onto your desktop.
6:34 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon September 29 2008 6:44:00 pm Eric wrote:
There is one thing I really miss in KDE4... the ability to
rearrange icons on the desktop by right clicking on the
desktop and selecting some kind of "arrange icons" capability.
I *_REALLY_* miss that. I cannot understand why they removed
it.
I think you really don't understand a basic point, here - KDE 4
is not an evolution of KDE from 3, it's a fairly radical re-write
of much of the code from the ground up. The point being, they
didn't start with KDE 3.5 and 'evolve' the code to 4; nothing was
taken out of anything, because they pretty much started afresh.
There are a fair number of sites out there which try to explain
the reasons for this - essentially, the old code-base had built-
in architectural constraints (think fitting a turbo charged
Ferrari race engine into a Model-T chassis). Many features that
were missing in 4.0 are returning in 4.1, but some will never
return because the underlying paradigm is very different, and
there's a new way of doing old things based on a whole new way of
thinking...
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7:42 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
At 07:34 PM 9/29/2008, Claude Jones wrote:
>>>>
I think you really don't understand a basic point, here - KDE 4
is not an evolution of KDE from 3, it's a fairly radical re-write
of much of the code from the ground up. The point being, they
didn't start with KDE 3.5 and 'evolve' the code to 4; nothing was
taken out of anything, because they pretty much started afresh.
<<<<<
Good evening, Claude.
I understand it perfectly! And if the ability to rearrange icons is
likely to show up in an early release, I'm perfectly happy. But,
such an ability is so basic to just about any desktop that I found it
really odd that it wasn't there.
(I'm told that you can sort icons within panels. I haven't figured
out how to use panels yet ... and as for the one that comes up by
default in a fresh KDE install, I must have clicked on something
because it's gone and I haven't yet figured out how to get it back.)
It would have been nice to have the option of reverting to KDE3 in an
official, supported way... maybe something like "yum groupremove kde"
and "yum groupinstall kde3", until such time as KDE4 becomes more
nearly as feature-rich as KDE3 was.
But, no problem, I'll wait...
Could you please do me a favor and point me to some of the websites
that explain all of the rationale behind what they did for KDE4? I
looked around www.kde.org and didn't really find anything
specifically on-point.
8:23 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:42 PM, Eric <spamsink(a)scoot.netis.com> wrote:
At 07:34 PM 9/29/2008, Claude Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>
> I think you really don't understand a basic point, here - KDE 4
> is not an evolution of KDE from 3, it's a fairly radical re-write
> of much of the code from the ground up. The point being, they
> didn't start with KDE 3.5 and 'evolve' the code to 4; nothing was
> taken out of anything, because they pretty much started afresh.
<<<<<
Good evening, Claude.
I understand it perfectly! And if the ability to rearrange icons is likely
to show up in an early release, I'm perfectly happy. But, such an ability
is so basic to just about any desktop that I found it really odd that it
wasn't there.
I don't think KDE4 has icons. What are you trying to rearrange?
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10:17 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 20:42 -0400, Eric wrote:
At 07:34 PM 9/29/2008, Claude Jones wrote:
>>>>>
>I think you really don't understand a basic point, here - KDE 4
>is not an evolution of KDE from 3, it's a fairly radical re-write
>of much of the code from the ground up. The point being, they
>didn't start with KDE 3.5 and 'evolve' the code to 4; nothing was
>taken out of anything, because they pretty much started afresh.
<<<<<
Good evening, Claude.
I understand it perfectly! And if the ability to rearrange icons is
likely to show up in an early release, I'm perfectly happy. But,
such an ability is so basic to just about any desktop that I found it
really odd that it wasn't there.
(I'm told that you can sort icons within panels. I haven't figured
out how to use panels yet ... and as for the one that comes up by
default in a fresh KDE install, I must have clicked on something
because it's gone and I haven't yet figured out how to get it back.)
----
part of the problem is that the desktop is not a normal storage space
and thus by intent, there isn't a normal interaction with the desktop
that you are used to.
I understand your expectations and I think most people shared those
expectations because that is what we are used to.
----
It would have been nice to have the option of reverting to KDE3 in an
official, supported way... maybe something like "yum groupremove kde"
and "yum groupinstall kde3", until such time as KDE4 becomes more
nearly as feature-rich as KDE3 was.
----
it's already feature rich, it just doesn't have the features that match
your expectations. The KDE 4 desktop is what I call a dead zone (verizon
take note) and files aren't all that useful on a KDE 4 desktop. The
'folder view' panel in 4.1 is just this side of useless.
The truth is that the decision was made by the Fedora-KDE team not to try to implement
both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4 on Fedora 9 because doing so would have required a non-standard
implementation of one or the other besides the problem of having to maintain twice the
number of packages.
Craig
12:07 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon September 29 2008 8:42:48 pm Eric wrote:
Could you please do me a favor and point me to some of the
websites that explain all of the rationale behind what they
did for KDE4? I looked around www.kde.org and didn't really
find anything specifically on-point.
unfortunately, I can't as I'm running out the door and will be
gone for 2 days -- hopefully, Rex Dieter will post a page he's
cited before that goes into quite a bit of depth on the subject
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12:23 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 18:07:21 Claude Jones wrote:
On Mon September 29 2008 8:42:48 pm Eric wrote:
> Could you please do me a favor and point me to some of the
> websites that explain all of the rationale behind what they
> did for KDE4? I looked around www.kde.org and didn't really
> find anything specifically on-point.
unfortunately, I can't as I'm running out the door and will be
gone for 2 days -- hopefully, Rex Dieter will post a page he's
cited before that goes into quite a bit of depth on the subject
These will help:
http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Plasma/FAQ
http://userbase.kde.org/Welcome_to_KDE_UserBase
http://userbase.kde.org/Glossary
http://planetkde.org/ (for some good blogs/info and video clips)
Also have a look on youtube for demo's of what can be done with:
Plasma, Dolphin, the new panel, Lancelot and more..
Enjoy
Colin
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4:46 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 4:17 PM, Dave Feustel <dfeustel(a)mindspring.com> wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 03:45:48PM -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 18:54 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Eric <spamsink <at> scoot.netis.com> writes:
> > > installation. So, you need to log on as root, open up a terminal
> > > window, and say "yum groupinstall "KDE Softwarre
Development"" ("yum
> > > groupinstall KDE" may also work but I didn't try that).
> >
> > It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software
Development" to the
> > average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install
the
> > regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
> > yum groupinstall kde-desktop
> >
> > > switchdesk is a command-line utility where you log on as yourself,
> > > open up a terminal window, and say "switchdesk KDE". If you try
that
> > > and KDE isn't installed, it will tell you that you need to use
"yum
> > > groupinstall "KDE Software Development"" to install KDE.
> > >
> > > If switchdesk isn't installed, you have to log on as root and say
> > > "yum install switchdesk" first.
> >
> > Note that switchdesk is reported not to work properly with the latest GDM.
> >
> > > The other way is, when you click on your userID in the login screen
> > > but before you type in the password, a small pulldown box will appear
> > > at the bottom center of the screen, containing all of the desktops
> > > you have installed. Click on the arrow and select "KDE" from
that
> > > box, and from then on, until you change it, all of your logins will
> > > be to KDE (again, as long as you have KDE installed).
> >
> > There's a third option, which I recommend:
> > su -
> > echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>
> This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
> manger .
> The latter can be brought up by the icon in the bottom panel of Gnome
> Display Manager just before you enter the passwd.
Ragardless, the kde4 desktop in F9 is quite broken as far as I can tell.
I find it hard to believe that any time was spent testing it before F9
was released.
Offtopic for this thread.
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5:06 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 15:45 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> There's a third option, which I recommend:
> su -
> echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
manger .
It does if you restart X.
poc
7:20 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 05:36:25PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 15:45 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > There's a third option, which I recommend:
> > su -
> > echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
>
> This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
> manger .
It does if you restart X.
I tried restarting X by typing C_A_del. Gnome came back up.
poc
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8:31 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 20:20 -0400, Dave Feustel wrote:
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 05:36:25PM -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-09-29 at 15:45 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > There's a third option, which I recommend:
> > > su -
> > > echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> > > echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> >
> > This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
> > manger .
>
> It does if you restart X.
I tried restarting X by typing C_A_del. Gnome came back up.
In fact you need to restart the Display Manager, not just X. Sorry for
the confusion. The easiest way is "init 3; init 5" (or reboot).
poc
5:17 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Aaron Konstam <akonstam(a)sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> There's a third option, which I recommend:
> su -
> echo 'DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"' >/etc/sysconfig/desktop
> echo 'DESKTOP="KDE"' >>/etc/sysconfig/desktop
This causes the KDE Display manager to come up but not the KDE session
manger .
The latter can be brought up by the icon in the bottom panel of Gnome
Display Manager just before you enter the passwd.
>
> In other words, create a file called /etc/sysconfig/desktop with the following
> contents:
> DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE"
> DESKTOP="KDE"
>
> That option is permanent and systemwide and it sets not only the default
> desktop to KDE, but also the display manager to KDM instead of GDM. It's how
> the KDE live CD is set up.
>
> Kevin Kofler
This works:
echo DISPLAYMANAGER="KDE" > /etc/sysconfig/desktop
Then edit/create $HOME/.dmrc and add this:
[Desktop]
Session=kde
Change to "Session=gnome-session" for the GNOME DM.
The .dmrc is created/modified by the action of selecting a Desktop Manager
at the login GUI.
~af
4:46 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
At 02:54 PM 9/29/2008, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>>>
It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software
Development" to the
average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
yum groupinstall kde-desktop
<<<<<
Good afternoon, Kevin.
Yeah, I figured there was something like that... but when you say
"switchdesk KDE" and there is no KDE, switchdesk tells you to
groupinstall "KDE Software Development".
Is there anything in kde-desktop that's not in KDE Software
Development? In other words, after you have installed "KDE Software
Development" is there any advantage to then installing kde-desktop"?
5:13 p.m.
New subject: Switching to KDE (was kde or gnome)
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 05:46:26PM -0400, Eric wrote:
At 02:54 PM 9/29/2008, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>>>>
> It doesn't make sense to recommend installing "KDE Software
> Development" to the
> average user, it's only for developers. Average users should just install the
> regular KDE group (known as kde-desktop internally):
> yum groupinstall kde-desktop
<<<<<
Good afternoon, Kevin.
Yeah, I figured there was something like that... but when you say
"switchdesk KDE" and there is no KDE, switchdesk tells you to
groupinstall "KDE Software Development".
Is there anything in kde-desktop that's not in KDE Software Development?
In other words, after you have installed "KDE Software Development" is
there any advantage to then installing kde-desktop"?
What is the yum command for installing the KDE Software Development package?
12:30 p.m.
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Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 12:16 -0400, William Biggs wrote:
> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
Gnome, of course... I say that just to stick fingers up the various KDE
fanboys on this list. There's plenty that extoll it's virtues (that I
don't care for - it emphasises prettiness and endless fiddling over
actually using the computer, and the current incarnation is far from
ready for use), compared against fewer people that evangelise Gnome over
KDE.
But being more serious. Fedora uses Gnome by default, the documentation
shows you how to use it with Gnome, much of the configuration uses Gnome
tools, etc. The other window managers are *alternatives*. If you're
starting out as a Linux newbie, and want an easier start, it's probably
much easier to do so with Gnome. Then once you've got your footing, you
can try out the alternatives.
I've tried and used several window managers. KDE is a time waster,
Gnome just works. Some of the lighter weight ones don't work, without a
big fight, with recent versions of Fedora (which seems to depend on
Gnome or KDE triggering off a few things that says the current user of
the console should have sound, should connect to a network, should mount
an inserted disc, etc.). When you use some alternative window managers,
you have to handle all of that yourself, manually.
I mainly agree. Gnome works pretty well with Fedora and is a good starting
point. It's a good, clean desktop environment, and gives you the best way to
try out Fedora.
I actually prefer KDE and run KDE 3.5.9 on my Slackware desktop, but I'm still
playing with and figuring out KDE 4.1 on Fedora 9. When I just want to use my
laptop I'm running Gnome. You have to love Gnu/Linux for having these choices, :).
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3:56 p.m.
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Tim wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-09-27 at 12:16 -0400, William Biggs wrote:
>> I would like to know witch one is better kde or gnome ?
>
> Gnome, of course... I say that just to stick fingers up the various KDE
> fanboys on this list. There's plenty that extoll it's virtues (that I
> don't care for - it emphasises prettiness and endless fiddling over
> actually using the computer, and the current incarnation is far from
> ready for use), compared against fewer people that evangelise Gnome over
> KDE.
>
> But being more serious. Fedora uses Gnome by default, the documentation
> shows you how to use it with Gnome, much of the configuration uses Gnome
> tools, etc. The other window managers are *alternatives*. If you're
> starting out as a Linux newbie, and want an easier start, it's probably
> much easier to do so with Gnome. Then once you've got your footing, you
> can try out the alternatives.
>
> I've tried and used several window managers. KDE is a time waster,
> Gnome just works. Some of the lighter weight ones don't work, without a
> big fight, with recent versions of Fedora (which seems to depend on
> Gnome or KDE triggering off a few things that says the current user of
> the console should have sound, should connect to a network, should mount
> an inserted disc, etc.). When you use some alternative window managers,
> you have to handle all of that yourself, manually.
>
I mainly agree. Gnome works pretty well with Fedora and is a good starting
point. It's a good, clean desktop environment, and gives you the best way to
try out Fedora.
I actually prefer KDE and run KDE 3.5.9 on my Slackware desktop, but I'm still
playing with and figuring out KDE 4.1 on Fedora 9. When I just want to use my
laptop I'm running Gnome. You have to love Gnu/Linux for having these choices, :).
qlwm = fast and easy to use
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