I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome.
Consider Framework (https://frame.work/) depending on your needs.
I have F35 installed and everything "just works" © :-)
~~R
On 1/31/22 14:16, joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome.
On Mon, 2022-01-31 at 17:16 -0500, joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome.
I have F35 running on an Aspire 1 I inherited from my daughter. It wasn't particularly difficult once I figured out the hotkeys for booting from USB. I also replaced the internal HDD with an old SSD I had lying around and it made a huge difference.
poc
On 1/31/22 17:16, joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome.
I have been running Fedora on IBM/Lenovo Thinkpad X Series (so far x220, x240, x260, x280 at least) with no issues at all. I have humorously surmised in the past that I believed Fedora developers are probably doing their work on x series thinkpads. HTH
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Hmmmm ... well how's about a company that designs *for* Linux? Star Labs https://starlabs.systems/ is a UK company that sells direct. I have their Starlite laptops and had absolutely no problem loading Fedora 32, even though it's not one of their "guaranteed to run" distos.
Oh, and if something should go wrong, its nice to know that you won't get the, "Oh, we don't support Linux" response.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:16:40 -0500 (EST) joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
I believe both lenovo and dell ship laptops with linux installed.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:37 PM Geoffrey Leach geoff@hughes.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... well how's about a company that designs *for* Linux? Star Labs https://starlabs.systems/ is a UK company that sells direct. I have their Starlite laptops and had absolutely no problem loading Fedora 32, even though it's not one of their "guaranteed to run" distos.
Oh, and if something should go wrong, its nice to know that you won't get the, "Oh, we don't support Linux" response.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:16:40 -0500 (EST) joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives:
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 08:17, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
I believe both lenovo and dell ship laptops with linux installed.
They do, but sometimes they use very new chips and drivers that aren't yet available for other distros, so you may be stuck with the vendor-supported distro until drivers become more widely available.
I recommend looking for a model from a couple years ago -- long enough for user reports of any issues to be findable by Google.
At present, large organizations are replacing relatively new laptops that won't run Windows 11 (e.g., some models of Dell Latitude 7480, but see Setting up Linux in 7480 - Dell Community https://www.dell.com/community/Latitude/Setting-up-Linux-in-7480/td-p/7842365) so you might want to check Dell's "refurbished" systems or eBay. One problem is that such laptops are often sold with a variety of wifi cards, so you may need to swap in a more linux-friendly component. Higher end Dell and Lenovo are generally easier to service than some consumer laptops, but you can often find online instructions for SSD and wifi upgrades.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:37 PM Geoffrey Leach geoff@hughes.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... well how's about a company that designs *for* Linux? Star Labs https://starlabs.systems/ is a UK company that sells direct. I have their Starlite laptops and had absolutely no problem loading Fedora 32, even though it's not one of their "guaranteed to run" distos.
Oh, and if something should go wrong, its nice to know that you won't get the, "Oh, we don't support Linux" response.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:16:40 -0500 (EST) joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives:
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On Tue, 2022-02-01 at 09:28 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 08:17, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
I believe both lenovo and dell ship laptops with linux installed.
They do, but sometimes they use very new chips and drivers that aren't yet available for other distros, so you may be stuck with the vendor-supported distro until drivers become more widely available.
I recommend looking for a model from a couple years ago -- long enough for user reports of any issues to be findable by Google.
At present, large organizations are replacing relatively new laptops that won't run Windows 11 (e.g., some models of Dell Latitude 7480, but see Setting up Linux in 7480 - Dell Community) so you might want to check Dell's "refurbished" systems or eBay. One problem is that such laptops are often sold with a variety of wifi cards, so you may need to swap in a more linux-friendly component. Higher end Dell and Lenovo are generally easier to service than some consumer laptops, but you can often find online instructions for SSD and wifi upgrades.
On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 6:37 PM Geoffrey Leach geoff@hughes.net wrote:
Hmmmm ... well how's about a company that designs *for* Linux? Star Labs https://starlabs.systems/ is a UK company that sells direct. I have their Starlite laptops and had absolutely no problem loading Fedora 32, even though it's not one of their "guaranteed to run" distos.
Oh, and if something should go wrong, its nice to know that you won't get the, "Oh, we don't support Linux" response.
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 17:16:40 -0500 (EST) joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
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Interested to see the UK StarLabs site.
I have been using Fedora 34 & 35 on a customised version from here
https://www.tuxedocomputers.com/en
Very pleased with it.
John
On Tue, 2022-02-01 at 09:28 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
I recommend looking for a model from a couple years ago -- long enough for user reports of any issues to be findable by Google.
At present, large organizations are replacing relatively new laptops that won't run Windows 11 (e.g., some models of Dell Latitude 7480, but see Setting up Linux in 7480 - Dell Community) so you might want to check Dell's "refurbished" systems or eBay. One problem is that such laptops are often sold with a variety of wifi cards, so you may need to swap in a more linux-friendly component. Higher end Dell and Lenovo are generally easier to service than some consumer laptops, but you can often find online instructions for SSD and wifi upgrades.
I've run fedora for years on an old Dell Latitude E7440 and it still works great. Very easy to upgrade and service as well. I also have it running on a newer XPS13, not sure which specific version but it's a least 3 years old, and it also has run great with no issues at all.
On Tue, 2022-02-01 at 09:28 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
I recommend looking for a model from a couple years ago -- long enough for user reports of any issues to be findable by Google.
That's a bit of a difficult thing to do. Unless a supplier has been saddled with unsold stock, you can only buy new. And buying second- hand runs the usual risk that many scumbags just rip people off by selling worn out, and knowingly broken, things without any conscience.
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 15:04, Tim via users users@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
On Tue, 2022-02-01 at 09:28 -0400, George N. White III wrote:
I recommend looking for a model from a couple years ago -- long enough for user reports of any issues to be findable by Google.
That's a bit of a difficult thing to do. Unless a supplier has been saddled with unsold stock, you can only buy new. And buying second- hand runs the usual risk that many scumbags just rip people off by selling worn out, and knowingly broken, things without any conscience.
There are established, reputable sellers who provide a warranty:
Refurbished Laptops, Desktops & Monitors | Dell USA https://www.dell.com/en-us/dfh/shop/refurbished/cp/outlet-dfh Certified Refurbished Products - Apple https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished Apple Refurbished Products: Should You Buy Them? - MacRumors https://www.macrumors.com/guide/apple-refurbished/
There are some independent resellers who have been in business for years and have built up a good reputation. Some of my friends have been buying used Apple gear for years
For me, putting linux on a system that was introduced 2 years ago means someone else has done the work of sorting out issues with drivers and any fixes have made it into distributions. Sometimes there are features that still don't work (sound, network) but cheap workarounds are known.
On Feb 1, 2022, at 07:18, Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
I believe both lenovo and dell ship laptops with linux installed.
I know that Dell ships some laptops with Ubuntu, but I don’t follow too closely because we use RHEL. I have tested several models and many of the non-nvidia GPU models work great. Nvidia stuff is usually working with some quirks and caveats. Fedora typically works quite well with it, due to newer Nouveau drivers and updated kernels.
Lenovo certifies many of its models with RHEL, and any of those should be fine with Fedora. Most of the time, the fixes for RHEL support start in Fedora. Check their support page for what is certified:
https://support.lenovo.com/us/en/solutions/pd031426
(Keep in mind, if it says “RHEL 8.3” that means 8.3+ or 8.3 or newer. I’ve been bugging them to make that clearer.)
Part of my job is supporting RHEL on laptops so this subject is near and dear to my heart.
— Jonathan Billings
I have an HP ENVY x360 with Ryzen 5 4500U that has been working great.
Early on I had some weird issues where the mouse / trackpad would work during login, but not once the desktop loaded. Rebooting fixed it. But with the 5.15+ kernels I have had zero issues.
It's got enough HP to play Tomb Raider from Steam. I did upgrade the memory to 16GB.
It is a thin model, no optical drive and no Ethernet port. On the rare occasion I need Ethernet I have a USB-C adapter. I've gotten 24MB/s over wireless doing updates with my UniFi AC Lite (Wifi 5) APs.
Thanks, Richard
On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 at 18:17, joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome.
My brother used to work for USDA. His experience was that Lenovo laptops held up much better under "field" conditions than Dell models, but then USDA required that they dispose of the Lenovo gear.
I have been using Lenovo for years and versions of Fedora. I want the eraserhead mouse.
Currently I have an x140e which is quad core. Nice.
I have replaced the stock HD with a 500GB SSD to lengthen battery life and such.
Recently I upgraded to beyond spec 16GB memory and it is working just fine. Evidence is you can take it up to 32GB with 'current' memory cards.
I AM having weirdness with video and Xfce. Can't get VLC to show videos, system locks. Never had this problem in the past, so I may eventually get to the bottom of this latest challenge.
For me, the x240 has no advantage over the x140e.
On 1/31/22 17:16, joe@zeff.us wrote:
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
I have had good results from ThinkPads over the years. The newest addition is an E595 which "just works" with Fedors 35 and was relatively affordable. Business-class laptops and desktops also tend to be designed with service in mind, so they can be fixed.
Another family member has an older HP Spectre X360 which runs mostly fine—the main issue is that scales correctly to the 4k display. This affect both Linux and Windows.
Finally, I am enjoying the MacBook I use for work. It runs all the Unix software I want and 'Ctrl-A' and 'Ctrl-E' do the right thing in Emacs, the terminal, and the web browser. I wish there were a Linux desktop that did that and used the Command key the right way also.
Jim
My 'Ctrl-A' and 'Ctrl-E' work just fine (ctrl mapped to capslock where the unix gods intended).. Alt is meta. What do you mean by "I wish there were a Linux desktop that did that and used the Command key the right way also."?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 9:21 AM James Szinger jszinger@gmail.com wrote:
I have had good results from ThinkPads over the years. The newest addition is an E595 which "just works" with Fedors 35 and was relatively affordable. Business-class laptops and desktops also tend to be designed with service in mind, so they can be fixed.
Another family member has an older HP Spectre X360 which runs mostly fine—the main issue is that scales correctly to the 4k display. This affect both Linux and Windows.
Finally, I am enjoying the MacBook I use for work. It runs all the Unix software I want and 'Ctrl-A' and 'Ctrl-E' do the right thing in Emacs, the terminal, and the web browser. I wish there were a Linux desktop that did that and used the Command key the right way also.
Jim
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 10:27:57 -0500 Neal Becker ndbecker2@gmail.com wrote:
My 'Ctrl-A' and 'Ctrl-E' work just fine (ctrl mapped to capslock where the unix gods intended).. Alt is meta. What do you mean by "I wish there were a Linux desktop that did that and used the Command key the right way also."?
Not for me. Under F35 Mate:
emacs Ctrl-A beginning of line bash Ctrl-A beginning of line firefox Ctrl-A select all
Mac OS:
emacs Ctrl-A beginning of line bash Ctrl-A beginning of line firefox Ctrl-A beginning of line
The Linux keybindings are not consistent and thus do not work fine, for my definition of fine.
For the command (or super) key, I want the follow global bindings:
command-A select all command-C copy command-P print command-Q quit etc.
Most of these are bound to the control key in Linux GUI applications. This is annoying since in my brain the control key is bound to the emacs-like functions.
Jim
For Ubuntu I use a Lenovo ThinkPad X250 fourteen inch after some line of command it froze but get a new life it leaves to froze (maybe because I put it in a DMZ),
I don't receive often update but it run very fast I was bought for replace an IBM laptop become too much older after Ubuntu leave processor i386,
This is an Intel i5 four core and run too windows ten,
I was bought for two hundred euro in occasion,
Regards.
Dorian Rosse. ________________________________ From: joe@zeff.us joe@zeff.us Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 11:16:40 PM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Picking a new laptop
I'm still trying to get my current laptop running again, but I'm probably going to need to get a new one. If nothing else, this one doesn't really have enough memory and it's maxed out.
Right now, I'm also trying to get Xubuntu loaded onto my sister's Acer Aspire 1, and having considerable difficulty getting it to boot from the USB. I'm not comfortable with her new laptop and would rather not get myself an Acer. If any of you have had good experiences recently with getting Fedora installed on a laptop, suggestions would be very welcome. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
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