2:34 p.m.
What is the right way to enable hyphenation for languages other than
English for texlive in Fedora?
Is the situation as bad as described here?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/TeXLive#hyphenation
Andras
12:34 p.m.
2015-04-17 5:32 GMT-05:00 Andras Simon:
2015-04-16 0:26 GMT+02:00, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus
<aradnix(a)gmail.com>:
> Well this question seems to be off tiopic in Fedora, but you could ask
> it in a better place such as http://tex.stackexchange.com/.
It shouldn't be off topic, because, as far as I can see, it is
Fedora's changes to texlive that cause this problem. (I don't doubt
that there are good reasons for those changes, but still, this is
specific to Fedora.)
Ok, I understand.
> Meanwhile
> you must to know that you can use the packages babel either
> polyglossia for hyphenate in another languages different from English.
Thanks for the suggestion, but this requires xelatex. (I don't know
how much of a problem that is; maybe it's a drop in replacement for
standard latex.)
That's false, polyglossia goes well with Xelatex, but I think you can
use it with pdflatex also, although I do it with babel in both cases
(pdflatex and xelatex) and you should use babel whenever you want to
write documents in something different than English, but that you
probably already know.
> And of course, you need to install all the packages needed for
that. I
> don't know how is in Fedora, but in Debian and derivations usually you
> have a texlive-base minimal working installation that could be enough
> for the most common uses, but if don't then you could add another sets
> with more packages, although install texlive-full.
>
> Even so, usually the version in the repositories aren't the newest and
> then you can't get the latest versions and bug corrections. For avoid
> all those problems I prefer get the latest version directly from the
> CTAN. This summer will be TeXlive 2015 but I don't know if that could
> be helpful for you.
I usually don't mind being a few years behind with latex, and I'd like
to keep using fedora's version. If there is _really_ no way to turn
hyphenation on for languages other than English, then it's a bug. I'll
do some more investigating, and if it doesn't turn up anything, I'll
file a bug report (and maintain my local \hyphenation{}).
I understand, the important is it works. I prefer the last couple of
years use the most current version of TeXlive because I use LaTeX for
all, and for many projects I have no choice. Could you add a prealmble
to see how are you worinking with that?
11:27 a.m.
2015-04-18 17:55 GMT+02:00, Suvayu Ali <fatkasuvayu+linux(a)gmail.com>:
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 07:08:40PM +0200, Andras Simon wrote:
>
> Yes, I'm using texlive-babel-hungarian, but latex says
>
> Package magyar.ldf Warning: All Hungarian hyphenation= patterns missing.
> (magyar.ldf) To make LaTeX hyphenate Hungarian words,
> please
> (magyar.ldf) modify language.dat and rerun initex or
> texconfig.
>
> But language.dat starts with
>
> DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE (language.dat)! It is generated by tlmgr.
>
> and tlmgr seems to be missing from Fedora's version of texlive. Full
> circle.
tlmgr is missing because it is the package manager TeX Live uses when
installed from the DVD. For the Fedora provided TeX Live, yum/dnf is
the package manager. I use TeX Live from the DVD, and my language.dat
has this entry for hungarian:
% from hyphen-hungarian:
hungarian loadhyph-hu.tex
If yours doesn't you should probably file a bug report. Although I
should say, I do not think I ever configured TeX Live to use Hungarian,
so I don't know if this is all there is to it.
Thanks for the suggestion. I put "hungarian loadhyph-hu.tex" in
language.dat, but that in itself didn't change anything. This is not
surprising: as the error message above says, one should
rerun initex or texconfig. I tried the latter, and ran again into the
missing tlmgr problem. I'm now trying to muscle up the courage to run
initex.
Andras
10:55 a.m.
On Fri, Apr 17, 2015 at 07:08:40PM +0200, Andras Simon wrote:
Yes, I'm using texlive-babel-hungarian, but latex says
Package magyar.ldf Warning: All Hungarian hyphenation= patterns missing.
(magyar.ldf) To make LaTeX hyphenate Hungarian words, please
(magyar.ldf) modify language.dat and rerun initex or texconfig.
But language.dat starts with
DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE (language.dat)! It is generated by tlmgr.
and tlmgr seems to be missing from Fedora's version of texlive. Full circle.
tlmgr is missing because it is the package manager TeX Live uses when
installed from the DVD. For the Fedora provided TeX Live, yum/dnf is
the package manager. I use TeX Live from the DVD, and my language.dat
has this entry for hungarian:
% from hyphen-hungarian:
hungarian loadhyph-hu.tex
If yours doesn't you should probably file a bug report. Although I
should say, I do not think I ever configured TeX Live to use Hungarian,
so I don't know if this is all there is to it.
Hope this helps,
--
Suvayu
Open source is the future. It sets us free.
12:08 p.m.
2015-04-17 18:24 GMT+02:00, Timothy Murphy <gayleard(a)eircom.net>:
Andras Simon wrote:
> What is the right way to enable hyphenation for languages other than
> English for texlive in Fedora?
>
> Is the situation as bad as described here?
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/TeXLive#hyphenation
Have you looked at texlive-babel-italian ,
or whatever language you are interested in?
Yes, I'm using texlive-babel-hungarian, but latex says
Package magyar.ldf Warning: All Hungarian hyphenation= patterns missing.
(magyar.ldf) To make LaTeX hyphenate Hungarian words, please
(magyar.ldf) modify language.dat and rerun initex or texconfig.
But language.dat starts with
DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE (language.dat)! It is generated by tlmgr.
and tlmgr seems to be missing from Fedora's version of texlive. Full circle.
There seem to be a large number of languages covered in this way.
also the associated texlive-babel-italian-doc , or whatever.
I admit that when I have tried this before (with hebrew and ancient greek)
I did have problems finding the appropriate fonts.
Fortunately, hungarian is not that bad in this respect. I just have to stick
\usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
\usepackage[latin2]{inputenc}
in the preamble.
Andras
11:24 a.m.
Andras Simon wrote:
What is the right way to enable hyphenation for languages other than
English for texlive in Fedora?
Is the situation as bad as described here?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:Features/TeXLive#hyphenation
Have you looked at texlive-babel-italian ,
or whatever language you are interested in?
There seem to be a large number of languages covered in this way.
also the associated texlive-babel-italian-doc , or whatever.
I admit that when I have tried this before (with hebrew and ancient greek)
I did have problems finding the appropriate fonts.
--
Timothy Murphy
gayleard /at/ eircom.net
School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin
5:32 a.m.
2015-04-16 0:26 GMT+02:00, Aradenatorix Veckhom Vacelaevus <aradnix(a)gmail.com>:
Well this question seems to be off tiopic in Fedora, but you could
ask
it in a better place such as http://tex.stackexchange.com/.
It shouldn't be off topic, because, as far as I can see, it is
Fedora's changes to texlive that cause this problem. (I don't doubt
that there are good reasons for those changes, but still, this is
specific to Fedora.)
Meanwhile
you must to know that you can use the packages babel either
polyglossia for hyphenate in another languages different from English.
Thanks for the suggestion, but this requires xelatex. (I don't know
how much of a problem that is; maybe it's a drop in replacement for
standard latex.)
And of course, you need to install all the packages needed for that.
I
don't know how is in Fedora, but in Debian and derivations usually you
have a texlive-base minimal working installation that could be enough
for the most common uses, but if don't then you could add another sets
with more packages, although install texlive-full.
Even so, usually the version in the repositories aren't the newest and
then you can't get the latest versions and bug corrections. For avoid
all those problems I prefer get the latest version directly from the
CTAN. This summer will be TeXlive 2015 but I don't know if that could
be helpful for you.
I usually don't mind being a few years behind with latex, and I'd like
to keep using fedora's version. If there is _really_ no way to turn
hyphenation on for languages other than English, then it's a bug. I'll
do some more investigating, and if it doesn't turn up anything, I'll
file a bug report (and maintain my local \hyphenation{}).
Andras
5:26 p.m.
Well this question seems to be off tiopic in Fedora, but you could ask
it in a better place such as http://tex.stackexchange.com/. Meanwhile
you must to know that you can use the packages babel either
polyglossia for hyphenate in another languages different from English.
And of course, you need to install all the packages needed for that. I
don't know how is in Fedora, but in Debian and derivations usually you
have a texlive-base minimal working installation that could be enough
for the most common uses, but if don't then you could add another sets
with more packages, although install texlive-full.
Even so, usually the version in the repositories aren't the newest and
then you can't get the latest versions and bug corrections. For avoid
all those problems I prefer get the latest version directly from the
CTAN. This summer will be TeXlive 2015 but I don't know if that could
be helpful for you.
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