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------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Ranbir <m3freak(a)thesandhufamily.ca&gt; To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 04:00:19AM GMT+00:00 Subject: GNOME interface is too bulky I had a friend who also thought this, I had recommended she try Fedora in one of its other iterations?....(KDE....XFCE....CInnamon) to see if something else might not be more to her liking...she ended up with KDE...and while its not Gnome?...it IS "Fedora" which matters the most!! Just a suggestion... EGO II

On Mon, 2023-04-03 at 00:00 -0400, Ranbir wrote: Much of that is adjustable. It used to be, and may still be, in Gnome. It definitely is with other desktops. I use Mate, which looks more like the old Gnome, before they pretended a desktop was a tablet (which is when I abandoned Gnome), and it's configurable in it. I wonder if you've accidentally used some form of screen scaling, or aren't running in your screen resolution. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.88.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 15:41:52 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.

On Mon, 2023-04-03 at 14:29 +0930, Tim via users wrote: I don't see where in GNOME I can adjust the font size. Do I need to use gsettings or something? I already checked that under Display: Scale is set to 100% and the resolution matches my monitor's native resolution. It's GNOME itself that's off. It's just big! It's tidy, but fat. -- Ranbir

On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 10:39:25 +0930 Tim via users wrote: Yes! A stop sign and an envelope are pretty much it for icons that make some sense, after those two it is all guesswork (and I wonder how the envelope will age with no one sending physical letters any longer :-). Personally, I use the FVWM window manager and my own custom .fvwmrc file which doesn't completely change my interface every six months.

On Mon Apr03'23 09:24:57PM, Tom Horsley wrote: Wow, I used to use twm for a while, pre-Fedora, and then fvwm2, and then went to xfce briefly before pekwm and then settling on openbox. I make my own remix, and my wife who used to make fun of my desktop environment (shunya/zero) eventually adopted it, and does not want to go back. She went kde -> xfce -> lxde -> openbox. (She still makes fun of it though.) There is something to be said for stability and backwards compatibility, which seems to be missing from at least a few modern software -- I was long ago given to understand that achieving 1.0 in a software version meant that backwards compatibility would be maintained in the future, however this does not seem to be the case anymore. Unfortunately, I have read that openbox and other such window managers will stop working as wayland progresses without more development. I hope that is too long into the future. Ranjan

Tim: Samuel Sieb:> I would be very surprised if your graphics device didn't have enough Sure, it can run it, but it's noticeably slower than other things. Why would I deliberately choose to use something slower? Especially as it's slower because it's doing a hoard of things I don't need. It's only on-board Intel chipset, i915 if I remember correctly. I don't (find them slow, except for the crap ones). The new Gnome menu (if you add it) is an example of a bad menu system. The old one is a good example of simple, clean, quick. Typing the program names is all very well, *if* you know the name of the command you want to use. But adds another round of messing around when you're not already sitting at the desktop. But when you're already using the mouse, draw, click, scroll, follow link, move something on the page, hopping back and forth between the mouse and keyboard is a usability nuisance. There's a very good reason Windows (quite crap) Start menu was so well liked. But if only they knew what better ones were like. Let's put EVERYTHING in one programs folder! And in a stupid order. A screenful of icons, like an Android tablet, none of their imagery gives a clue to which one you want. They're far too abstract. Their positions change as you install extra things, or if you have one of those systems that puts what it thinks you want to use near the top, continually changing its mind about that. Alphabetical ordering makes no sense to grouping related things together. It becomes an Easter egg hunt to find the one you need. I have to say that tablets and phones are the worst interfaces to use. Laboriously scroll through large numbers of things you don't want, and often can't remove. Or, laboriously try to type something into its midget keyboard. And again, that depends on you knowing its name. Yes, I do put regular apps on the homescreen, but that's only practical up to a point. It also soon becomes a "whoops, I didn't mean to press that," while holding your phone. And the full list of apps, is what I reorganised into one screen with folders of categorised apps, instead of 5 screens of everything in an illogical order. I don't have that many open, but I always find the navigate by thumbnail approach to be poor. It usually involves half a gazillion presses, as you try to find the one you want, go past it, have to cycle through again. I find it only ever practical when you have as little as two or three things open. The taskbar is far easier to go straight back to the email program, straight over to the web browser, etc. I certainly do that, too. I can't say that I am. The move from Gnome 2 to 3 was an abomination. Their "you can't adjust anything" attitude is worse than Mac. But their persistent "we are right, you are wrong," attitude to any complaints has pissed off no end of users. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.88.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 15:41:52 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.

On Mon, 03 Apr 2023 00:00:19 -0400 Ranbir <m3freak(a)thesandhufamily.ca&gt; wrote: Makes sense. I don't use Gnome because I like the minimal desktop experience, and I am not a power user. I have been using LXDE, even though it is officially deprecated. I recently gave LXQT a try, and it seems to have a conflict with LXDE (probably the window manager, since LXDE is GTK and LXQT is qt), because after I tuned it, I couldn't restart LXDE with my main user. I decided to just keep using LXQT as my main desktop. I still use LXDE for other logins / users. My point here is that every desktop requires tuning to make it optimal for a user, and they have the tools to do so. In LXQT they are mostly accessed through preferences -> Appearance (I remember since I used them recently :-) ) I would be very surprised if Gnome doesn't have ways to tune the look and feel of their desktop if both LXDE and LXQT, minimal desktops, do. And I think the same would apply to XFCE, Cinnamon, Mate, and KDE.