5:02 a.m.
Hello everybody!
I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find video
and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
Thank you very much!
Lailah
10:16 p.m.
| From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
| I have a bunch of laptops I would love to have on Fedora, but Fedora doesn't
| include the drivers, rpmfusion has them, but the Live-CD and install kernels
| in fc18 don't match the driver, I can't D/L drivers because I don't have
the
| drivers, if I did I could download but wouldn't need to. Perfect example of
| Catch 22.
Purity is problematic. Things have been getting better, but not
monotonically. Requiring 3D is something that has mmade things worse.
Still, purity is fighting the good fight; Ubuntu's lack of purity
reduces the effectiveness of the boycott.
Sometimes I'm pure, sometimes I cheat and run Ubuntu (usually for
other people) (but even Ubuntu screws up drivers sometimes).
For video, the trick is to say "nomodeset" on the kernel boot line.
Then it uses VGA framebuffer (because most real drivers now insist on
modesetting and you are forbidding that). Usually that's good enough
to get up to speed. I think you then have to scrape the "nomodeset"
out of /boot/grub2/grub.cfg to get the new video drivers to kick in.
I don't know what you do for missing networking drivers. I usually
don't have trouble with wired interfaces. If wired AND wireless don't
work, you're doubly cursed. If desperate, I guess you could get a
supported USB ethernet or WiFi dongle and use it until the updates kick in.
You'd only need one dongle to service your whole fleet.
9:45 a.m.
El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 19:48 -0500, Claude Jones escribió:
On 01/29/2013 01:54 PM, Lailah wrote:
>> see if this helps
>> http://registry.gimp.org/
>>
>> --
>> Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
>
> No, is not helpful. The newest scripts it has are from 2009. I want it
> running in 2.8. This is the actual version on Fedora 18.
I'm not going to take a lot of time on this, but, upon a glance at the
first two pages of that link, all those plugin links are dated in
2013...maybe I'm missing something
--
Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
Hello!
Don't worry, it was my web browser. I don't know why it
only showed me old issues. Some hours later I visited it again and it
showed me new and fresh things to try.
Thanks to all!
Lailah
1:59 p.m.
On 01/29/2013 05:00 PM, Lailah wrote:
El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 10:52 -0500, Mike Williams escribió:
> > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
> > Lailah <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com <mailto:lailahfsf@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hello everybody!
> >>
> >> I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
> >> distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find video
> >> and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
> >>
> >> Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
>
> You could look on gimp.org or try asking on the gimp user list:
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
>
> Mike
It is not a Gimp problem, it is a Fedora problem. So I ask in the
Fedora list.
/Thanks and regards,/
*/Lailah/*
Hola Lailah,
Packages in Fedora are under free and open source licenses, which is a
clearly established issue, just see the Fedora wiki about licensing
guidelines... so I can't see how this is a Fedora problem :(
Germán.
--
Germán A. Racca
Fedora Package Maintainer
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Skytux
1 p.m.
El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 10:52 -0500, Mike Williams escribió:
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
> Lailah <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello everybody!
>>
>> I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
>> distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find video
>> and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
>>
>> Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
You could look on gimp.org or try asking on the gimp user list:
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Mike
It is not a Gimp problem, it is a Fedora problem. So I ask in the
Fedora list.
Thanks and regards,
Lailah
12:56 p.m.
El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 08:08 -0600, Bruno Wolff III escribió:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
Lailah <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Hello everybody!
>
> I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
>distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find video
>and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
>
>Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
These sound like features that need patented codecs that can't be freely
redistributed.
Ok. How can I solve it?
12:54 p.m.
El mar, 29-01-2013 a las 10:51 -0500, Claude Jones escribió:
On 1/29/2013 6:02 AM, Lailah wrote:
>
> Hello everybody!
>
> I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in
> other distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find
> video and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
>
> Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
>
>
>
> /Thank you very much!/
> */Lailah/*
>
>
see if this helps
http://registry.gimp.org/
--
Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
No, is not helpful. The newest scripts it has are from 2009. I want it
running in 2.8. This is the actual version on Fedora 18.
Thanks and regards,
Lailah
10:45 a.m.
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
Lailah <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello everybody!
>
> I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
> distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find video
> and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
>
> Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
These sound like features that need patented codecs that can't be freely
redistributed.
Either that or the purity of the license might be in question. Fedora not only
insists that it be legal, but politically correct, for some value of PC which
equates to "under a license we approve" like GPL.
I have a bunch of laptops I would love to have on Fedora, but Fedora doesn't
include the drivers, rpmfusion has them, but the Live-CD and install kernels in
fc18 don't match the driver, I can't D/L drivers because I don't have the
drivers, if I did I could download but wouldn't need to. Perfect example of
Catch 22.
If the Fedora team saw this as a problem, they would arrange to have rpmfusion
keep drivers available for the obsolete kernels in the media as well as the
current kernels you get with upgrade. At least for Broadcom and Ralink (net) and
Radeon and Nvidia (video). Those are probably the most widely used hardware
bits, and without the driver installed you can't upgrade and maybe your video
only works in text mode. Assuming you can even find a driver for the old kernels.
Sorry for the rant, but I have wasted hours trying to find the drivers to
download, putting them on the USB drive, and then being told that I need yet
another rpm. And MINT just booted with all the drivers in place, ready to
install. I haven't given up, but lack of a "Fedora Live-CD" repo for the
bits
needed to install would sure make life easier.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen(a)tmr.com>
"We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from
the machinations of the wicked." - from Slashdot
8:08 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
Lailah <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody!
I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find video
and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
These sound like features that need patented codecs that can't be freely
redistributed.
10:57 a.m.
On 01/29/2013 04:45 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
If the Fedora team saw this as a problem, they would arrange to have
rpmfusion keep drivers available for the obsolete kernels in the media
as well as the current kernels you get with upgrade. At least for
Broadcom and Ralink (net) and Radeon and Nvidia (video). Those are
probably the most widely used hardware bits, and without the driver
installed you can't upgrade and maybe your video only works in text
mode. Assuming you can even find a driver for the old kernels.
It would definitely be helpful for rpmfusion to preserve driver packages
for the kernels shipped in the media although I thought they did this?
I just checked for F17 and they do appear to have kmod packages for the
3.3.4-5 kernel that shipped on the media.
You could pre-download everything including dependencies and have it on
a USB device available as a repo to the LiveCD or installer. There are
tools that will do all that but it would be nice to have a very simple
way to put it all together in advance to simplify this kind of install.
Regards,
Bryn.
9:51 a.m.
On 1/29/2013 6:02 AM, Lailah wrote:
Hello everybody!
I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in
other distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find
video and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
/Thank you very much!/
*/Lailah/*
see if this helps
http://registry.gimp.org/
--
Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
9:52 a.m.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 09:02:34 -0200,
Lailah <lailahfsf(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello everybody!
>
> I found that Gimp in Fedora has less functions that in other
> distributions (like Fuduntu or Ubuntu). In example, I can find video
> and animation edition, and a lot of scripts.
>
> Why is this happening? How can I solve it?
You could look on gimp.org or try asking on the gimp user list:
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Mike
10:12 p.m.
On 01/29/2013 07:48 PM, Claude Jones wrote:
On 01/29/2013 01:54 PM, Lailah wrote:
>> see if this helps
>> http://registry.gimp.org/
>>
>> --
>> Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
>
> No, is not helpful. The newest scripts it has are from 2009. I want it
> running in 2.8. This is the actual version on Fedora 18.
I'm not going to take a lot of time on this, but, upon a glance at the
first two pages of that link, all those plugin links are dated in
2013...maybe I'm missing something
Don't use Gimp, so I have no idea if this could work: Grab an Ubuntu
deb, unpack it, and see what you can find? packages.ubuntu.com
6:48 p.m.
On 01/29/2013 01:54 PM, Lailah wrote:
> see if this helps
> http://registry.gimp.org/
>
> --
> Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
No, is not helpful. The newest scripts it has are from 2009. I want it
running in 2.8. This is the actual version on Fedora 18.
I'm not going to take a lot of time on this, but, upon a glance at the
first two pages of that link, all those plugin links are dated in
2013...maybe I'm missing something
--
Claude Jones Brunswick, MD, USA
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