4:30 a.m.
Have 5 linux machine at home with 3 on FC32 and 2 on FC31.
One of the FC31s is my notebook, and noticed that the wine on the FC32
has gone up to 5.22, while the FC31 are at 5.19? Checked the testing
repos to see if it might be there, but nothing.
Usually, the latest version will get an update, and the other will show up
within a couple days?? Just ran updates on machines, so noticed the
differences. Never recall it being more than one different...
Thanks. Have a nice day, and be Safe..
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4:32 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 01/12/2020 18:30, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
Have 5 linux machine at home with 3 on FC32 and 2 on FC31.
One of the FC31s is my notebook, and noticed that the wine on the FC32
has gone up to 5.22, while the FC31 are at 5.19? Checked the testing
repos to see if it might be there, but nothing.
Usually, the latest version will get an update, and the other will show up
within a couple days?? Just ran updates on machines, so noticed the
differences. Never recall it being more than one different...
Well, F31 is EOL. So, it will no longer get updates.
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5:35 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 1 Dec 2020 at 18:32, Ed Greshko wrote:
From: Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com>
Subject: Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and
FC32? 5.19/5.22
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On 01/12/2020 18:30, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
> Have 5 linux machine at home with 3 on FC32 and 2 on FC31.
> One of the FC31s is my notebook, and noticed that the wine on the FC32
> has gone up to 5.22, while the FC31 are at 5.19? Checked the testing
> repos to see if it might be there, but nothing.
>
> Usually, the latest version will get an update, and the other will show up
> within a couple days?? Just ran updates on machines, so noticed the
> differences. Never recall it being more than one different...
Well, F31 is EOL. So, it will no longer get updates.
Didn't realize is was EOL already?? Missed that FC33 was already fully
out. Will have to do an upgrade. Don't care for the latest changes they
have forced on vncserver, but guess I'll have to figure it out. That is
probable why I had overlooked it going to EOL. Have 4 systems I access
via vnc and like the simple vncserver setup versus the new systemd
setup..
Thanks for pointing out the EOL..
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6:01 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 01/12/2020 19:35, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
Thanks for pointing out the EOL..
In case others have missed it, this was sent out on Nov. 20.
Fedora 31 will go end of life for updates and support on 24th of
November 2020. No further updates, including security updates, will be
available for Fedora 31 after the said date. All the updates of Fedora
31 being pushed to stable will be stopped as well.
Fedora 32 will continue to receive updates until approximately one
month after the release of Fedora 34. The maintenance schedule of
Fedora releases is documented on the Fedora Project wiki [0]. The
fedora Project wiki also contains instructions [1] on how to upgrade
from a previous release of Fedora to a version receiving updates.
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7:08 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On Tue, 2020-12-01 at 21:35 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II via users
wrote:
Didn't realize is was EOL already?? Missed that FC33 was already
fully
out.
It's worth subscribing to the Announce list. It's low-traffic.
poc
1:16 p.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 12/1/20 3:35 AM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
Didn't realize is was EOL already?? Missed that FC33 was already
fully
out. Will have to do an upgrade. Don't care for the latest changes they
have forced on vncserver, but guess I'll have to figure it out. That is
probable why I had overlooked it going to EOL. Have 4 systems I access
via vnc and like the simple vncserver setup versus the new systemd
setup..
It's a change, but it's not too bad. I got mine working and I'm happier
to have it automatically start now.
1:45 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 1 Dec 2020 at 11:16, Samuel Sieb wrote:
Subject: Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and
FC32? 5.19/5.22
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
From: Samuel Sieb <samuel(a)sieb.net>
Date sent: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:16:53 -0800
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On 12/1/20 3:35 AM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
> Didn't realize is was EOL already?? Missed that FC33 was already fully
> out. Will have to do an upgrade. Don't care for the latest changes they
> have forced on vncserver, but guess I'll have to figure it out. That is
> probable why I had overlooked it going to EOL. Have 4 systems I access
> via vnc and like the simple vncserver setup versus the new systemd
> setup..
It's a change, but it's not too bad. I got mine working and I'm happier
to have it automatically start now.
They had a previous systemd system where you had to make special
links, but I found that about have the time it would just fail? And process
was totally random. I generally have it start in the rc.local, and that has
never failed on me? Will have to give it a shot at some point. Usually,
had the local user on system use one of the gnome desktops, while the
vnc was running with the xfce.. Didn't ever notice any problems.
Thanks for the reply. New system does seem simplier than the old
systemd process they mentioned.
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8:57 p.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 1 Dec 2020 at 18:32, Ed Greshko wrote:
From: Ed Greshko <ed.greshko(a)greshko.com>
Subject: Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and
FC32? 5.19/5.22
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On 01/12/2020 18:30, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
> Have 5 linux machine at home with 3 on FC32 and 2 on FC31.
> One of the FC31s is my notebook, and noticed that the wine on the FC32
> has gone up to 5.22, while the FC31 are at 5.19? Checked the testing
> repos to see if it might be there, but nothing.
>
> Usually, the latest version will get an update, and the other will show up
> within a couple days?? Just ran updates on machines, so noticed the
> differences. Never recall it being more than one different...
Well, F31 is EOL. So, it will no longer get updates.
Just updated notebook to FC32 - took almost 14 hours.
25 minutes to download the 5.4G of the 5008 packages.
After reboot to upgrade
took little over 8 hours for upgrade part
then 4.5 hours for the clean part
and about another .5 hours for the verify and man-db stuff.
Then the reboot and it had to do some things.
So, now have the latest stuff.
Still not clear why an upgrade like this takes so long...
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11:12 p.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 02/12/2020 10:57, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
Just updated notebook to FC32 - took almost 14 hours.
25 minutes to download the 5.4G of the 5008 packages.
After reboot to upgrade
took little over 8 hours for upgrade part
then 4.5 hours for the clean part
and about another .5 hours for the verify and man-db stuff.
Then the reboot and it had to do some things.
So, now have the latest stuff.
Still not clear why an upgrade like this takes so long...
I don't know. My updates have gone much quicker in comparison.
An old notebook with a single SSD took about 45 minutes to upgrade 2722 packages and an
additional
maybe 20 minutes or so to download them.
Another system with SSD took 31 minutes to upgrade 3096 packages with also about 20+
minutes to
download.
In both cases I didn't record the download times and they may have been done when
other processes
were taking up download bandwidth.
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11:39 p.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 12/1/20 6:57 PM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
Just updated notebook to FC32 - took almost 14 hours.
25 minutes to download the 5.4G of the 5008 packages.
After reboot to upgrade
took little over 8 hours for upgrade part
then 4.5 hours for the clean part
and about another .5 hours for the verify and man-db stuff.
Then the reboot and it had to do some things.
So, now have the latest stuff.
Still not clear why an upgrade like this takes so long...
Notebook hard drives are really slow now, but I've never seen one take
that long. This is why I put SSDs in everything.
1:45 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 1 Dec 2020 at 21:39, Samuel Sieb wrote:
Subject: Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and
FC32? 5.19/5.22
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/1/20 6:57 PM, Michael D. Setzer II via users wrote:
> Just updated notebook to FC32 - took almost 14 hours.
> 25 minutes to download the 5.4G of the 5008 packages.
> After reboot to upgrade
> took little over 8 hours for upgrade part
> then 4.5 hours for the clean part
> and about another .5 hours for the verify and man-db stuff.
> Then the reboot and it had to do some things.
>
> So, now have the latest stuff.
> Still not clear why an upgrade like this takes so long...
Notebook hard drives are really slow now, but I've never seen one take
that long. This is why I put SSDs in everything.
Copied lines from boot.log and
processed it in spreadsheet.
1-Prep Time?? 1713.583866 00:28:33.58387
2-Update Total 27533.061562 07:38:53.06156
3-Clean Time 16712.719679 04:38:32.71968
4-Verify Time 1087.992662 00:18:07.99266
5-Final time 7.22305000000051 00:00:07.22305
6-Complete Time 47054.580819 13:04:14.58082
hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
Timing cached reads: 10030 MB in 1.99 seconds = 5031.74 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 412 MB in 3.01 seconds = 136.93 MB/sec
Disk is
Disk /dev/sda: 931.53 GiB, 1000204886016 bytes, 1953525168 sectors
Disk model: ST1000LM035-1RK1
So don't know if that is anything?
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2:58 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 12/1/20 11:45 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
Timing cached reads: 10030 MB in 1.99 seconds = 5031.74 MB/sec
Timing buffered disk reads: 412 MB in 3.01 seconds = 136.93 MB/sec
Those are actually particularly unhelpful benchmarks for this purpose as
they are measuring cached and buffered reads. You would need to run a
benchmark for random read and write. But it doesn't really matter.
Laptop hard drives are really slow, so it's expected to take a long
time, although the time yours took does seem a bit excessive.
2:43 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:39:38 AM WET Samuel Sieb wrote:
Notebook hard drives are really slow now, but I've never seen one
take
that long.
I saw. :-)
[Oh, wait let me change that emoji to :-( ;-)]
This is why I put SSDs in everything.
And as you correctly point this is the main issue. A SSD in an old computer
will make the computer fly because in some cases the performance bottleneck is
the I/O component, and that clearly is the case when installing/updating
thousand of packages.
--
José Matos
2:55 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 12/2/20 12:43 AM, José Abílio Matos wrote:
On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:39:38 AM WET Samuel Sieb wrote:
> Notebook hard drives are really slow now, but I've never seen one take
> that long.
I saw. :-)
[Oh, wait let me change that emoji to :-( ;-)]
> This is why I put SSDs in everything.
And as you correctly point this is the main issue. A SSD in an old
computer will make the computer fly because in some cases the
performance bottleneck is the I/O component, and that clearly is the
case when installing/updating thousand of packages.
At one point I was upgrading a whole bunch of laptops to the next Fedora
release and this was before I put SSDs in them. There was one laptop
that was at least 5 years older than the rest and it took half the time
to do the upgrade than the new ones.
4:22 a.m.
New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 2 Dec 2020 at 0:55, Samuel Sieb wrote:
Subject: Re: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and
FC32? 5.19/5.22
To: users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 12/2/20 12:43 AM, José Abílio Matos wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 2, 2020 5:39:38 AM WET Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
> > Notebook hard drives are really slow now, but I've never seen one take
>
> > that long.
>
> I saw. :-)
>
> [Oh, wait let me change that emoji to :-( ;-)]
>
> > This is why I put SSDs in everything.
>
> And as you correctly point this is the main issue. A SSD in an old
> computer will make the computer fly because in some cases the
> performance bottleneck is the I/O component, and that clearly is the
> case when installing/updating thousand of packages.
At one point I was upgrading a whole bunch of laptops to the next Fedora
release and this was before I put SSDs in them. There was one laptop
that was at least 5 years older than the rest and it took half the time
to do the upgrade than the new ones.
This notebook is an Aspire E1-731-4699. The original hard drive was a
500G, but upgraded it to the 1Tb drive years ago. Everything else seems
to run just fine. Do have a very old IBM thinkpad R60, and it did
upgrade a lot faster than this one, but it has a few less packages installed.
Question: Doesn't the dnf process use the cache feature of the disk??
Know that the higher number is actually the speed of accessing the ram
buffer of the disk. But the lower number is the physical speed of the
disk. Just know that I started process at about after 11pm, and the
download only took about 25 minutes for the 5.4G of files it reported.
It was just the update.
The first few enties:
[ 1713.583866] dnf[683]: Running scriptlet: libgcc-10.2.1-6.fc32.x86_64
1/1
[ 1714.786807] dnf[683]: Upgrading : libgcc-10.2.1-6.fc32.x86_64
1/10017
[ 1720.550349] dnf[683]: Running scriptlet: libgcc-10.2.1-6.fc32.x86_64
1/10017
[ 1721.024442] dnf[683]: Upgrading : javapackages-filesystem-5.3.0-9.fc32.noarch
2/10017
[ 1722.464974] dnf[683]: Upgrading : fonts-filesystem-2.0.3-1.fc32.noarch
3/10017
[ 1722.991203] dnf[683]: Upgrading : kf5-filesystem-5.75.0-1.fc32.x86_64
4/10017
[ 1725.740344] dnf[683]: Upgrading : linux-firmware-whence-20201022-113.fc32.noar
5/10017
[ 1726.414571] dnf[683]: Upgrading : fedora-logos-30.0.2-4.fc32.x86_64
6/10017
the last few and then clean up starts
[29154.072094] dnf[683]: Upgrading : gstreamer1-plugins-base-1.16.2-3.fc32.i686
5002/10017
[29173.893098] dnf[683]: Upgrading : libFAudio-20.10-1.fc32.i686
5003/10017
[29196.157601] dnf[683]: Upgrading : wine-core-5.22-1.fc32.i686
5004/10017
[29217.288364] dnf[683]: Upgrading : wine-5.22-1.fc32.x86_64
5005/10017
[29234.820825] dnf[683]: Upgrading : wine-devel-5.22-1.fc32.i686
5006/10017
[29242.109709] dnf[683]: Upgrading : nss-3.58.0-3.fc32.i686
5007/10017
[29244.808671] dnf[683]: Running scriptlet: nss-3.58.0-3.fc32.i686
5007/10017
[29246.645428] dnf[683]: Upgrading : brotli-1.0.9-3.fc32.i686
5008/10017
[29252.598328] dnf[683]: Cleanup : python3-samba-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5009/10017
[29253.238475] dnf[683]: Running scriptlet: firefox-82.0.2-1.fc31.x86_64
5010/10017
[29253.238634] dnf[683]: Cleanup : firefox-82.0.2-1.fc31.x86_64
5010/10017
[29258.067048] dnf[683]: Running scriptlet: firefox-82.0.2-1.fc31.x86_64
5010/10017
[29258.225288] dnf[683]: Running scriptlet: samba-client-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5011/10017
[29258.252223] dnf[683]: Cleanup : samba-client-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5011/10017
[29267.404067] dnf[683]: Running scriptlet: samba-client-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5011/10017
[29274.681484] dnf[683]: Running scriptlet: samba-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5012/10017
[29274.682893] dnf[683]: Cleanup : samba-2:4.11.14-0.fc31.x86_64
5012/10017
The lines from the boot.log about the upgrade are 31624 in total
[47054.579629] dnf[683]: Complete!
[47054.580819] dnf[683]: Cleaning up downloaded data...
Well thanks for the time.
My first computer was a Heathkit H-120 with dual cpus. 8080 and an
8mzh 8088. Would only use one or other, not both at same time. Had
768K RAM and 192k video board. Much nicer than IBM PC. 20M hard
disk was an option, but was an extra $2000 on top of the $2349 for the
kit. So, ran it on dual 360K floppys. At the time, the college mini system
was an IBM System 34 with 96K of ram and 63.9M hard disk. Better
than the IBM 1130 I have in high school that had 8K of Ram and 5M
hard disk, and used punched cards..
Perhaps an SSD drive would change things.
Be Safe.
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New subject: Differences between versions of wine on FC31 and FC32? 5.19/5.22
On 12/2/20 2:22 AM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote:
Question: Doesn't the dnf process use the cache feature of the
disk??
Not really, since it's mostly writing new data. It's not going to avoid
the cache, but the use of the cache is completely up to the drive.
Know that the higher number is actually the speed of accessing the
ram
buffer of the disk. But the lower number is the physical speed of the
disk.
I was slight wrong about that benchmark info, but it's still not a
useful measurement.
hdparm -Tt /dev/sda
/dev/sda:
Timing cached reads: 10030 MB in 1.99 seconds = 5031.74 MB/sec
This has nothing to do with the drive at all. It's measuring the
throughput of the Linux buffering system. It doesn't touch the drive at
all.
Timing buffered disk reads: 412 MB in 3.01 seconds = 136.93 MB/sec
This is a sequential read measurement and it's not a bad number, but
it's completely irrelevant to dnf. You need to measure write speed and
random read/write access times.
Just know that I started process at about after 11pm, and the
download only took about 25 minutes for the 5.4G of files it reported.
It was just the update.
Yes, it's the updating part that takes a long time because that's when
it's doing lots of random reads and writes of the disk.
Perhaps an SSD drive would change things.
It would drastically change things. They have virtually no seek time,
so it's all read/write speed and for reference, this is my laptop SSD:
Timing buffered disk reads: 1518 MB in 3.00 seconds = 505.41 MB/sec
A write speed test gave me 467 MB/s
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