I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things) print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that any application I care to print from will print in the middle of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
On Friday 30 January 2009 12:28:53 Tom Horsley wrote:
I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things) print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that any application I care to print from will print in the middle of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
If that printer is supported by hplip you would be far better off installing it. It will already have the facility to handle all the features of the printer. OOo of course is a separate matter. They seem hell-bent on making printing as awkward as possible.
Anne
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:57:39 +0000 Anne Wilson wrote:
If that printer is supported by hplip you would be far better off installing it. It will already have the facility to handle all the features of the printer. OOo of course is a separate matter. They seem hell-bent on making printing as awkward as possible.
It was installed via hplip, but that doesn't mean it prints exactly aligned DVDs :-). And OO is definitely another matter - not just printing. I was trying to just write some multi-colored text the other day, and it was insanely complex to get the text color to "stick". The whole group of gnome/OO/evolution developers seem to have been dropped on their heads one too many times :-).
On Friday 30 January 2009 13:10:12 Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:57:39 +0000
Anne Wilson wrote:
If that printer is supported by hplip you would be far better off installing it. It will already have the facility to handle all the features of the printer. OOo of course is a separate matter. They seem hell-bent on making printing as awkward as possible.
It was installed via hplip, but that doesn't mean it prints exactly aligned DVDs :-).
In that case I think you should look out hp's launchpad, where some expert should be able to a) tell you what's wrong and how to fix it, and b) learn from it for the next release of their software.
Anne
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 07:28 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things) print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that any application I care to print from will print in the middle of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
---- there is spadmin program /usr/lib/openoffice.org3/program/spadmin but I'm not sure you will get any additional tweaks there.
try printing to pdf and then using kpdf or AdobeReader to print it.
I am gathering that you are using a non-standard paper size and that is where you are having troubles.
Perhaps if you add the paper size to the PPD it might standardize things - even for OOo
If it were me doing labels, I'd probably be using Inkscape (likely) or gimp to print them anyway.
You also might want to check out glabels
Craig
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Craig White craigwhite@azapple.com wrote:
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 07:28 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things) print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that any application I care to print from will print in the middle of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
there is spadmin program /usr/lib/openoffice.org3/program/spadmin but I'm not sure you will get any additional tweaks there.
try printing to pdf and then using kpdf or AdobeReader to print it.
I am gathering that you are using a non-standard paper size and that is where you are having troubles.
Perhaps if you add the paper size to the PPD it might standardize things
- even for OOo
If it were me doing labels, I'd probably be using Inkscape (likely) or gimp to print them anyway.
You also might want to check out glabels
Craig
I use Glabels for DVD/CD printing. If you like I can send you a template that I already spent hours tweaking in to save you the trouble. Also, if you haven't done so already, you need to setup a separate printer cue for the DVD tray/caddie. This helps work around the fact that not all programs will allow you to change tray settings on the fly.
Richard
On 01/30/2009 07:58 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
I just got a new HP Photosmart C5580 which can (among other things) print on inkjet printable DVDs and CDs. My current goal (probably hopeless :-) is to tweak the .ppd file for the copy of the printer I made which defaults to the DVD tray and DVD paper size so that any application I care to print from will print in the middle of the DVD (a quest that will probably take years and cost thousands of lives :-).
My first big mystery came with sample printouts I made of a hashmark pattern I could use to measure how far off from the center I am: Both inkscape and gimp print the pattern with the exact same offsets from the center of the CD, but open office prints with a completely different offset.
As near as I can tell, I've told every app the page size is the same and there are no margins. They all print the marks scaled the same with the same distance between marks, so does anyone have any clue why open office thinks the center of the media is in a different place? Is there some obscure printer setup option I missed somewhere in OO?
Even if I can figure how to tweak the .ppd file, it won't do much good if different applications use it a different way :-).
Have you tried glabels instead of OO? It's a special-purpose app for labels which might suit your needs better.
poc
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:23:00 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Have you tried glabels instead of OO? It's a special-purpose app for labels which might suit your needs better.
Nah, I'm just stubborn :-). My goal is to tweak the .ppd file so everything works. I'm sure I could use a special app like glabels to print with a special template, but it bothers me that I should have to do that.
I'm just trying to understand why the heck different apps don't print the exact same place when printing to the (supposedly) same page size (actually open office is the only exception I have found so far, so maybe open office is just busted).
I'll have to experiment with OO just printing to normal paper as well and see if OO does everything differently.
On 01/30/2009 09:43 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:23:00 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Have you tried glabels instead of OO? It's a special-purpose app for labels which might suit your needs better.
Nah, I'm just stubborn :-). My goal is to tweak the .ppd file so everything works. I'm sure I could use a special app like glabels to print with a special template, but it bothers me that I should have to do that.
I'm just trying to understand why the heck different apps don't print the exact same place when printing to the (supposedly) same page size (actually open office is the only exception I have found so far, so maybe open office is just busted).
I'll have to experiment with OO just printing to normal paper as well and see if OO does everything differently.
Silly question: you do realize that "normal paper" for OO is A4, right?
poc
On 01/30/2009 10:18 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:04:42 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Silly question: you do realize that "normal paper" for OO is A4, right?
Yep, I've seen that before :-). "Normal spelling" is apparently British English as well (in firefox too).
I'm pretty sure the default for FF is US spelling.
poc
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:29 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I'm pretty sure the default for FF is US spelling.
Not in my F10 firefox: It keeps telling me words like "color" are misspelled and wants me to use colour instead. (Just like claws-mail is also doing now, but I think they are all hooked into the same spell checker).
On 01/30/2009 10:55 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:29 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I'm pretty sure the default for FF is US spelling.
Not in my F10 firefox: It keeps telling me words like "color" are misspelled and wants me to use colour instead. (Just like claws-mail is also doing now, but I think they are all hooked into the same spell checker).
Could this be related to your locale setting?
poc
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:08:57 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Could this be related to your locale setting?
I don't know for sure. All was US English until I installed Fedora 10. I actually did find an about:config dictionary setting which was (for some reason) en_ZW in firefox. I manually changed it to en_US and that seemed to do the trick :-).
Around 04:00pm on Friday, January 30, 2009 (UK time), Tom Horsley scrawled:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:08:57 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Could this be related to your locale setting?
I don't know for sure. All was US English until I installed Fedora 10.
What is the output from the locale command?
Steve
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 11:00 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 11:08:57 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
Could this be related to your locale setting?
I don't know for sure. All was US English until I installed Fedora 10. I actually did find an about:config dictionary setting which was (for some reason) en_ZW in firefox. I manually changed it to en_US and that seemed to do the trick :-).
---- agreed - mine too (en_ZW)...was upgraded probably at least from FC-5 => through each successive version to now F10
Craig
Richard Shaw wrote:
I use Glabels for DVD/CD printing. If you like I can send you a template that I already spent hours tweaking in to save you the trouble. Also, if you haven't done so already, you need to setup a separate printer cue for the DVD tray/caddie. This helps work around the fact that not all programs will allow you to change tray settings on the fly.
Richard
Can you send me a copy as well? I just got a HP Photosmart D5460 yesterday, and I have not started on Glabels for CD/DVD printing yet. (The CDs I ordered should be here today.)
TIA Mikkel
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:41:42 -0700 Craig White wrote:
agreed - mine too (en_ZW)...was upgraded probably at least from FC-5 => through each successive version to now F10
I haven't been upgrading fedora, but I have been preserving my home directory with its copy of ~/.mozilla/, so something about that history left me with weird spell settings when f10 came along.
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Tom Horsley tom.horsley@att.net wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:41:42 -0700 Craig White wrote:
agreed - mine too (en_ZW)...was upgraded probably at least from FC-5 => through each successive version to now F10
I haven't been upgrading fedora, but I have been preserving my home directory with its copy of ~/.mozilla/, so something about that history left me with weird spell settings when f10 came along.
I can confirm that at least in my experience that Firefox in F10 ignores your locale choice. I pre-upgraded two computers from F9 -> F10 and did a fresh install over F8 -> F10 (preserving my /home partition) and all had the problem with Firefox using the wrong dictionary.
Richard
Tom Horsley wrote:
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:29:29 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
I'm pretty sure the default for FF is US spelling.
Not in my F10 firefox: It keeps telling me words like "color" are misspelled and wants me to use colour instead. (Just like claws-mail is also doing now, but I think they are all hooked into the same spell checker).
I discovered that my Thunderbird somehow got set to "en_NZ" and not "en_US" at some point. I fixed it, and it "got better". I never had that problem with Firefox.
I'm having the same spelling problem with FireFox with a fresh F10 (it's not "Fedora Core" any more, right? :)) install. If you right click in a text box, at the bottom of the menu is a Languages sub-menu. I think that's where you change dictionaries. Mine was set to en_NZ by default!
On Sat, 2009-01-31 at 12:53 +0100, Dan Haskell (mumblyjoe) wrote:
I'm having the same spelling problem with FireFox with a fresh F10 (it's not "Fedora Core" any more, right? :)) install. If you right click in a text box, at the bottom of the menu is a Languages sub-menu. I think that's where you change dictionaries. Mine was set to en_NZ by default!
I'd always turned off spell checking in the browser (spell checking as you type, in the preferences), but had a look at that, after reading what you said.
On mine, the first language on the list is ticked,"en_HK," which doesn't bear any semblance to my locale (en-AU), nor the languages set elsewhere in Firefox (en-AU, en-US, en). I can't see the logic in how they've picked the spell checking language.
Dan Haskell (mumblyjoe) wrote:
I'm having the same spelling problem with FireFox with a fresh F10 (it's not "Fedora Core" any more, right? :)) install. If you right click in a text box, at the bottom of the menu is a Languages sub-menu. I think that's where you change dictionaries. Mine was set to en_NZ by default!
en_NZ dictionary, eh? I'm just thinking about how it would differ from other non-US English dictionaries. I can think of "jandals", "dags"[1], "kumara", "puckeroo", and a few others. :-)
Andrew.
[1] Yeah, I know this one is actually Middle English.
Andrew Haley wrote:
Dan Haskell (mumblyjoe) wrote:
I'm having the same spelling problem with FireFox with a fresh F10 (it's not "Fedora Core" any more, right? :)) install. If you right click in a text box, at the bottom of the menu is a Languages sub-menu. I think that's where you change dictionaries. Mine was set to en_NZ by default!
en_NZ dictionary, eh? I'm just thinking about how it would differ from other non-US English dictionaries. I can think of "jandals", "dags"[1], "kumara", "puckeroo", and a few others. :-)
Andrew.
[1] Yeah, I know this one is actually Middle English.
It looks like they forgot to include the en_US dictionary. I guess it uses en_NZ when it can not find it.
Mikkel
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 09:13:13 -0500 Tom Horsley wrote:
I'm just trying to understand why the heck different apps don't print the exact same place when printing to the (supposedly) same page size (actually open office is the only exception I have found so far, so maybe open office is just busted).
I think I've concluded that defining a custom paper size is just plain busted in Open Office. I see lots of existing reports of people having problems trying to define sizes for non-standard envelopes and wot-not. Anyway, anyone interested in my complete results can find them at:
http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley/dvdprint/dvd-print.html
I got it to print quite well, but I'm still seeking a way to make the tweaks universal by having them in the .ppd file for the printer.