On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 08:55:05 -0700 stan <stanl-fedorauser(a)vfemail.net&gt; wrote: I was able to subscribe to devel using this method.

On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 15:05:01 +0300 Adrian Sevcenco <Adrian.Sevcenco(a)cern.ch&gt; wrote: Unlike mailman 2, mailman 3 (which we now use for all Fedora lists), has no local accounts or passwords. You instead manage your lists by logging in using some existing account and then attaching whatever email addresses you use to that account. Currently, you can login via persona (which will work with any email address), yahoo, or fedora account system login. Very soon a change is going out that drops persona (because mozilla is no longer going to support/run it) and adds a bunch of other sites like github, twitter, gitlab, google, facebook, stackexchange and others. You can of course still use your fedora account system login. So, what you should do is go to: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/ and click on 'login' in the top right. Choose a login method. If you don't have a yahoo or fedora account (and don't want one), probibly best to choose persona for now. Enter your email address and follow the directions. Once you are logged in, go to 'my settings' and 'profile' and add email address. You will get a email with a confirm link in it, once you click on that that email will be attached to your account and you can subscribe/change prefs for it as much as you like. kevin

Allegedly, on or about 02 September 2016, Rick Stevens sent: I'd been seeing that warning message for a while, wondering when they were going to do the dirty. Looks like they finally killed it tonight. I am so thoroughly sick of the greedy, short-sighted, attitude of the various IM protocol developers. With the deliberate inability for one protocol to communicate to another, forcing us to run multiple clients (to deal with all the different people that we communicate with), or something like Pidgin that could manage multiple protocols. Their own clients are user-hostile, with hideous interfaces and annoying advertising, data-mining, ever-changing settings and features. You wouldn't want to run them if you had a choice. I won't be running to use Yahoo's client. If it can't be made to run with Pidgin, it's going to get dumped. I used to like using Jabber, because I like the idea of it (an open protocol, that's the opposite of trying to be "only use me, only I am important"), but lack of servers (either far-from continuously reliable, or long-lived) has been offputting over the years (and it's got worse). To me, and the reason by few others (than true computer geeks) will use it. I wonder if its feasible for there to be an officially supported Fedora Jabber server (as opposed to someone's server running off their home PC, which won't be up to the task, nor have a long-enough lifespan to be useful). I am sick of the ever-changing me-only IM schemes, MSN, Yahoo, ICQ, Skype, etc., with their crapily programed Linux clients, if they even exist. It's long past time that IM was a general purpose protocol that everything used, like email is. Will they ever learn that proprietary communications protocols are a shit idea? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I only get to see the messages posted to the mailing list. Damn, I didn't mean to press *that* button!

On Sat, 3 Sep 2016 17:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Beartooth <beartooth(a)comcast.net&gt; wrote: Nothing, since sadly, gmane is gone. :( http://lwn.net/Articles/695695/ kevin

On 09/05/2016 11:16 AM, Beartooth wrote: As am I. The NNTP interface is alive and well, and with no immediate plans to shut it down. nntp://news.gmane.org -- Bob Nichols "NOSPAM" is really part of my email address. Do NOT delete it.