On Monday 24 July 2006 07:06, Heikki Pesonen wrote: > I have old 2*8 and super 8 films I have earlier transferred to computer > using VHS-video. In my recent computer I do not have the analog video input > device. A friend of mine transferred my movies to DVD, and I see them in my > DVD-TV system. So I thought It's as simple as earlier to transfer the data > from the DVD to the computer. > > Earlier I used Pinnacle Studio in Windows, which is a very good program to > use, although unstable. But now Pinnacle Studio 9 can not read the files in > the DVD, although they seem to be mpeg-files. In Linux the content of my > DVD is: > > [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ ls > VIDEO_TS > [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ cd VIDEO_TS > [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$ ls > VIDEO_TS.BUP VIDEO_TS.VOB VTS_01_0.IFO VTS_01_2.VOB > VIDEO_TS.IFO VTS_01_0.BUP VTS_01_1.VOB > [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$ > > I appreciate, if you can tell me some programs I could use > 1. to read these VOB-files and transfer them to some common mpeg-format I > could move to vfat and after that process in Windows > 2. to edit the files in Fedora Core 5 and write the results to DVD/CD or > VHS. > > No wonder, that "Totem was not able to play this disk" - neither could any > program I have in my WindowsXP Home. It does not matter, because a cheap > device with my old TV can do that! You're much nearer than you think. First, you do not need to change the format or to edit those files in any way. As well as the files you list, you should have a directory called AUDIO_TS. Use k3b or any other burning application to copy both AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS onto your dvd. (It doesn't matter if AUDIO_TS is empty.) You then have a playable DVD. However, you will need other packages installed to play them, as those are not supplied with FC, due to potential illegality in some countries. You can get them through some of the external repositories, probably freshrpms or livna. You certainly need libdvdcss, and you should get every codec package you can see, as you will also need them for mp3 and some other multimedia formats. Anne

On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 09:03 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: > On Monday 24 July 2006 07:06, Heikki Pesonen wrote: >> I have old 2*8 and super 8 films I have earlier transferred to computer >> using VHS-video. In my recent computer I do not have the analog video input >> device. A friend of mine transferred my movies to DVD, and I see them in my >> DVD-TV system. So I thought It's as simple as earlier to transfer the data >> from the DVD to the computer. >> >> Earlier I used Pinnacle Studio in Windows, which is a very good program to >> use, although unstable. But now Pinnacle Studio 9 can not read the files in >> the DVD, although they seem to be mpeg-files. In Linux the content of my >> DVD is: >> >> [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ ls >> VIDEO_TS >> [fossiili@localhost JVC_DVD_ROM_PVD]$ cd VIDEO_TS >> [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$ ls >> VIDEO_TS.BUP VIDEO_TS.VOB VTS_01_0.IFO VTS_01_2.VOB >> VIDEO_TS.IFO VTS_01_0.BUP VTS_01_1.VOB >> [fossiili@localhost VIDEO_TS]$ >> >> I appreciate, if you can tell me some programs I could use >> 1. to read these VOB-files and transfer them to some common mpeg-format I >> could move to vfat and after that process in Windows >> 2. to edit the files in Fedora Core 5 and write the results to DVD/CD or >> VHS. >> >> No wonder, that "Totem was not able to play this disk" - neither could any >> program I have in my WindowsXP Home. It does not matter, because a cheap >> device with my old TV can do that! > You're much nearer than you think. First, you do not need to change the > format or to edit those files in any way. As well as the files you list, you > should have a directory called AUDIO_TS. Use k3b or any other burning > application to copy both AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS onto your dvd. (It doesn't > matter if AUDIO_TS is empty.) > > You then have a playable DVD. However, you will need other packages installed > to play them, as those are not supplied with FC, due to potential illegality > in some countries. You can get them through some of the external > repositories, probably freshrpms or livna. You certainly need libdvdcss, and > you should get every codec package you can see, as you will also need them > for mp3 and some other multimedia formats. > > Anne Hi I have just carried out the above and created an iso image from VIDEO_TS and AUDIO_TS directories using xcdroast Ran mplayer directly on the iso image, it ran correctly as a complete dvd!! (I usually play the VOB files separately! in which case mplayer, xine and totem-xine all work) ################################ I tried totem-xine on the iso image with the message "The source seems encrypted, and can't be read. Are you trying to play an encrypted DVD without libdvdcss?" However rpm -qa|grep -i libdvdcss libdvdcss-1.2.9-2.lvn5.i386 ################################ I tried xine on the iso image with the message "couldn't find demux for ...iso this usually means the file format was not recognised" I don't understand what is going on!!!! John

because a cheap device (connected) with my old TV can do that!

I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which I could send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.

Heikki Pesonen wrote: > Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not > how to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that > On 7/24/06, *Heikki Pesonen * <fossiili(a)gmail.com > <mailto:fossiili@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my > Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or > find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to > Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD > which I could send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box > and on old TV. > > From http://rpm.greysector.net/ repo, install mencoder then do something like mencoder dvd:// -vf harddup -ovc lavc -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=mp2:vcodec=msmpeg4v2:keyint=25 -o mydvd.avi copy over to windows pinnacle OR From http://rpm.livna.org/ repo install dvdstyler, dvdauthor and dvd+rw-tools use dvdstyler to make your dvds

Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not how to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that On 7/24/06, Heikki Pesonen <fossiili(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which I could send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.

On Tuesday July 25 2006 11:42 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: > It's possible that mencoder would be able to convert your VOB files over > to an acceptable format. Mencoder is part of the Mplayer toolbox. That > would be the first thing I would try. But the first thing you need to > do is make sure your VOB files are not encrypted. I haven't gone thru > this entire thread so I don't know the exact source of your VOB's, but > if they are coming from a store or have been purchased they are probably > encrypted and need to be decrypted before editing or conversion. FC5 > has sources available for decryption of this type. > > Assuming that they aren't encrypted, I'd start with mencoder to begin > conversion to other video formats. One thing not mentioned in this thread is the nature of .vob files. Essentially, they are mpg2 files with additional meta-data. Some editing programs such as Sony's Vegas (from MS land), can deal with them directly on the timeline. You might just try using some of the editors available in Linux to see if that holds true as well...it's a stretch, but easy to try. This is only a suggestion, and maybe someone else has already tried this - I haven't, so I have no direct knowledge, except that I've done this in Vegas.

On Wed, 2006-07-26 at 13:19 +0200, Bob Marcan wrote: > avidemux ( rpmforge ) > gopchop ( http://outflux.net/software/pkgs/gopchop ) > ffmpeg > mencoder > qdvdauthor > ... > > AUDIO_TS > VIDEO_TS > are already proper format to burn a DVD > invoke k3b, select New Video DVD Project, > drag files from VIDEO_TS to K3b VIDEO_TS directory ... > > Regards, Bob When you talk about format, you are also talking about the filesystem type(s) used on the DVD's, which should include UDF structures. Not just the vob attributes. LX

On Tuesday 25 July 2006 17:42, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: >On Mon, 2006-07-24 at 18:42 +0300, Heikki Pesonen wrote: > >>Dear gentlemen and ladies! Let me repeat what my problem is, it is not >>how to listen or look at the content of the DVD, instead of that >>On 7/24/06, Heikki Pesonen <fossiili(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >> I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my >> Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or >> find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie >> skills to Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a >> video CD or DVD which I could send to my sister even having an >> old DVD-player box and on old TV. > >It's possible that mencoder would be able to convert your VOB files over >to an acceptable format. Mencoder is part of the Mplayer toolbox. Not only possible. I did it on several occasions so far, and can say that mplayer suite (including mencoder) is very powerful, at least for my taste. The drawback is that it isn't point&click, you are required to read a nontrivial amount of docs and man pages in order to set up all the switches the way you need.

Also, mencoder can do some basic filtering and processing of the image during the conversion. Things like resizing, flipping, cropping, adding sound etc. So you do not need to use Pinacle if all you wish to do is to convert the movie from 16:9 to 4:3, for example. However, if you need to cut&paste the movie or something more complicated, then...

I can also suggest using Sony Vegas instead of Pinacle. Not as powerful, but *much* easier to use. At least for me. >But the first thing you need to >do is make sure your VOB files are not encrypted. Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could anyone explain me the concept of enryption of a movie (or any multimedia, in general). I mean, why is that useful? If I can watch the movie using the original dvd, ie if some sequence of images can be displayed on my screen, then it is in principle always possible to put that data not to the screen, but to a, say, file, and reprocess it later. How to do it is another story, but in principle it has to be possible. (The Linux philosophy -- everything is a stream of bytes...). So why encrypt the data if it is intended for the end-user to see unencrypted? I mean, you can't stop him from copying it if he is allowed to see it...

Best regards, :-) Marko

Sorry for hijacking the thread, but could anyone explain me the concept of enryption of a movie (or any multimedia, in general). I mean, why is that useful?

Martin Marques wrote: ... DVD::Rip unencrypt the .VOB files that are in a > movie DVD? > If you have the correct libs installed, it will create an AVI of your DVD. Home page. http://www.exit1.org/dvdrip/ You can then use any AVI editor to edit the video.

> I downloaded perl-Video-DVDRip-0.97.12-1.fc5.x86_64.rpm > <http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/fedora/linux/5/perl-Video-DVDRip/p... > But unfortunately: > "Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) is needed by package > perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: libc.so.6()(64bit) is needed by package > perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: perl(Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory) >= 0.65 is needed by > package perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Logger) is needed by package > perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow::Scheduler::SimpleMax) is > needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit) is needed by package > perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Server) is needed by package > perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Client) is needed by package > perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC) >= 0.89 is needed by package > perl-Video-DVDRip > Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) >= 0.62 is needed by package > perl-Video-DVDRip" > > How to uppdate my Fedora Core 5 for these dependencies? Sorry for the > probably stupid question, but I am a newbie ... > > I cannot help you there. I use FC4. I used yum to install DVDRip which I guess met the requirements automatically. I have a perl-Event-RPC that is built by Dries installed on my system. I also have perl-Event from Dries as well as perl-Frontier-RPC from RedHat. This is where yum works so well as long as you have the repositories setup. --

By the way, I have a book "Learning Red Hat Enterprice Linux and Fedora" by Bill McCarty I bought 03.07.2006, but nothing of Yum has mentioned there. "Yum" is like "sex" when I was young, everybody speaks about it, everybody else than I seems to be making it, but where to find information easy to understand?

Unfortunately even that mystical "yum" stops in: Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: libc.so.6()(64bit) is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Gtk2::Ex::FormFactory) >= 0.65 is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Logger) is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow::Scheduler::SimpleMax) is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit) is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Server) is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC::Client) is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::RPC) >= 0.89 is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip Error: Missing Dependency: perl(Event::ExecFlow) >= 0.62 is needed by package perl-Video-DVDRip [root@localhost Desktop]# By the way, I have a book "Learning Red Hat Enterprice Linux and Fedora" by Bill McCarty I bought 03.07.2006, but nothing of Yum has mentioned there. "Yum" is like "sex" when I was young, everybody speaks about it, everybody else than I seems to be making it, but where to find information easy to understand?

The real problem is that I wanted to convert the VOB-files to format which my Windows-program Pinacle Studio could read or find Linux-programs which I could install with my newbie skills to Fedora Core 5 able to edit my movies and to make a video CD or DVD which I could send to my sister even having an old DVD-player box and on old TV.