Fedora Core/Extras/Alternatives, blueprints and reality
by Axel Thimm
On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 06:19:48PM +0100, D. D. Brierton wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 18:00, Ryan McDougall wrote:
>
> > Ok I really think I messed some stuff up when I updated the system
> > using yum and those other repositries.
>
> The trick to using the repositories is to understand the difference
> between Fedora Core, Fedora Extras and Fedora Alternatives. (I haven't
> seen those terms used in a while, maybe the terminology has been dropped
> but the distinction still holds.)
The definitions below are very misleading, check with
http://fedora.redhat.com/participate/terminology.html
(which are also misleading ;).
Unfortunately there haven't been any further finer grained definitions
of differences between Core and Extras (especially defining when a
package is more suitable for one or the other), but the intention was
to have multiple Extras repositories dedicated to different topics
(the web site quotes "Fedora Extras High Performance Computing" or
similar). Currently it is often mixed with fedora.us definitions.
Alternatives are supposed to be replacing parts of Core. Technically
these are the updates Red Hat is providing, as well as patched/fixed
packages at other repos.
In fact any exiting repo today is a more or less mixture of an
"Extras" and "Alternatives" repo.
In general I would say that some of the definitions placed a year ago
on the web have failed to be accepted, especially
"Alternatives". Probably for good reason IMO, as enforcing a
categorization upon existing structures w/o first analysing them is
A Bad Thing (TM).
Anyway the actual situation is:
Fedora Core:
Red Hat (vendor) packaging
Fedora Extras/Third Party:
Community packaging without any specific charter
Fedora Legacy:
Community packaging with a charter of supporting Fedora/Red Hat
releases beyond offcial EOL (effectively extending EOL)
Fedora Alternatives:
Born dead, may it RIP. ;)
> Fedora Core
> This, obviously, is the core set of packages released by Red Hat
> and the Fedora Community.
>
> Fedora Extras
> This is the set of packages which are not part of Fedora Core
> but are popular enough to be packaged up specifically to work
> with Fedora Core.
>
> Fedora Extras is split into two:
> * Fedora.us which contains the Extras packages suitable
> for distribution in the USA, and
> * Livna.org which contains packages such as MP3 codecs
> which are probably fine for use anywhere else in the
> world but may be legally suspect for use in the USA.
>
> Fedora Alternatives
> This is the loose affiliation of repositories such as Freshrpms,
> DAG, ATrpms, NewRPMs, etc., which not only package software not
> found in Fedora Core or Fedora Extras but may also package
> *alternative*, i.e. newer or differently compiled, versions of
> software found in Fedora Core or Fedora Extras. Care should be
> taken in installing packages from Fedora Alternatives (i.e. you
> should try to understand what you are doing).
--
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net
19 years, 6 months
oops: FC2 authentication with Active Directory
by Jim Parker
I realized that I sent this email as html. I'll try it again for those who use text email viewers.
Is this a text only mail list?
________________________________________
From: fedora-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com] On Behalf Of fedora list
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:44 PM
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: FC2 authentication with Active Directory
Setup:
FC2 on a workstation will all updates.
2 servers running Winblows server 2003 will all updates.
Problem:
I can't for the life of me figure out why I can't authenticate. I see Kerberos authenticates successfully, but nss_ldap cannot connect to the LDAP server. I guess it can't query LDAP to see what my UID is and fails on the uid < 100 for pam_unix.
I modified the PAM files, ldap.conf, and krb5.conf files.
Here are some excerpts from some log files.
Secure:
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 login[3783]: pam_succeed_if: requirement "uid < 100" not met by user "jparker"
Oct 28 15:27:06 jparker-dfc2 login[30256]: pam_succeed_if: requirement "uid < 100" not met by user "jparker"
Messages:
Oct 28 15:26:41 jparker-dfc2 login(pam_unix)[3783]: authentication failure; logname=LOGIN uid=0 euid=0 tty=tty1 ruser= rhost= user=jparker
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 login[3783]: pam_krb5[3783]: authentication succeeds for 'jparker' (jparker(a)KBM1.LOC)
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 login[3783]: nss_ldap: could not search LDAP server - Operations error
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 login[3783]: nss_ldap: could not search LDAP server - Operations error
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 login[3783]: pam_ldap: ldap_search_s Operations error
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 pam_winbind[3783]: user 'jparker' granted acces
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 login[3783]: nss_ldap: could not search LDAP server - Operations error
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 login(pam_unix)[3783]: session opened for user jparker by LOGIN(uid=0)
Oct 28 15:26:42 jparker-dfc2 login[3783]: Permission denied
I'm looking for any and all suggestions. Short of passwords and such, I'll post whatever you need.
19 years, 6 months
Dual boot strategy
by Carroll Grigsby
I've been running FC1 since June. It's been a good experience, and I've
decided to install FC3 when it is released next month. Being somewhat chicken
hearted, my thought is that it would be best to set up a dual boot FC1-FC3
system that could be easily modified as future releases occur. My plan is to
partition a 40 gb drive so that both the tried-and-true (FCn) and the
latest-and-greatest (FCn+1) are available. Six months later, FCn would be
replaced by FCn+2. Rinse and repeat.
My questions:
1. There were several threads in the archives concerning dual booting two
versions of Fedora; my inclination is to use the method given in this post by
Jim Cornette last May:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=fedora-list&m=108545448826891&w=2
Any second thoughts, Jim?
2. About partitioning: What would be the downside of setting up a separate
/home partition that can be accessed by either version? My thought is
something like 10 gb for /home, 1 gb /swap, 100 mb for each /boot, and 12 gb
for each /.
This is a simple single user home based system whose usage is largely surfing,
email, and some Open Office stuff. No servers, no development, and no
Windows. My next task is to upgrade from dialup to cable access, and then
setting up a simple home network with my wife's Mandrake 9.1 PC; that should
be accomplished prior to the release of FC3.
-- cmg
19 years, 6 months
Re: Is it worth it?
by Paul Bryce
Duncan Williamson wrote:
>Very useful Paul: what's FC2? Is it another version of Linux for me to try?
>
>Duncan
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Paul Bryce [mailto:pbryce@ozemail.com.au]
>Sent: 31 October 2004 09:21
>To: duncan(a)duncanwil.co.uk; For users of Fedora Core releases
>Subject: Re: Is it worth it?
>
>Duncan Williamson wrote:
>
>
>
>>Dear All,
>>
>>Over the last three days I have created around 10 CD ROMS and one DVD
>>in my attempt to try Linux on one or all of my three computers:
>>
>>P2 MMX 200Mhz 82 Mb memory
>>
>>AMD Duron 1000Mhz 256 Mb memory
>>
>>P4 Laptop 2000Mhz 512 Mb memory
>>
>>No success at all worth noting.
>>
>>The PII has most problems, as one might expect.
>>
>>SUSE and SUSE Live DVD have failed yet I thought SUSE Live DVD would
>>be the answer: booting from the DVD and running without installation.
>>The AMD computer ran the DVD but had a Kernel failure problem as it
>>told me it had run out of memory (it's got 256Mb installed). The Live
>>DVD will not even kick in on the laptop, 512Mb memory installed; and I
>>didn't even bother with the P2 as far as the Live DVD is concerned.
>>
>>Having failed with both P2 and AMD machines, I then got Fedora running
>>on the Laptop up to the point where we needed to discuss a disc
>>partition but then either it or I couldn't fathom the next step: I
>>wanted it to do the partitioning for me.
>>
>>I don't know why I'm having so many problems and would welcome any
>>tips anyone might have. I am attracted to Linux following the
>>successes that many of you are enjoying. I have worked through
>>tutorials and demonstrations of Gnome and am aware of OpenOffice, Gimp
>>and goodness knows what else.
>>
>>So, in the end I'm left with a 2003 version of Mandrake Linux to dump
>>onto CD from ISO images but is it worth? Can I ever get Linux
>>installed anywhere?
>>
>>My real ambition is to get Linux working on the P2 since the other two
>>computers are too important to experiment on until I am happy with
>>what I am doing.
>>
>>TIA if you can.
>>
>>Duncan Williamson
>>
>>
>>
>Duncan,
>
>I am running FC2 on an AMD Duron 1000GHz (256Mb RAM) without any
>problems. The install went smoothly and has been running for about 3
>months now. As for the P2 - I couldn't get FC2 to run on my aging P2Pro
>(96Mb RAM), so installed RH9 instead. A smooth (albeit slow) install has
>resulted in a very reliable server that has been running for about 6
>months without any problems.
>
>If you are keen on running FC2, you cloud try dual booting (probably
>easiest with the AMD). Otherwise, you might look out for a cheap RAM
>upgrade for your P2MMX and attempt an FC2 install, or go with RH9 to try
>Linux out.
>
>I'm sure that once you try Linux, you will stick with it and look to
>find ways of giving ms-win-blows the flick.
>
>Good luck...
>
>
>Paul Bryce
>
>
>
Duncan,
Sorry FC2 = Fedora Core 2. I assumed you understood this as the list you
are mailing to is the fedora core list. Also, if you want to chack out
RH9 (RedHat v9), you can download the ISO images from
ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/9/en/iso/i386/
Regards,
Paul Bryce
--
/"...chance favours only the prepared mind" Louis Pasteur/
/"One crowded hour of glorious life /
/is worth more than a lifetime without a name" Thomas Mordaunt/
19 years, 6 months
Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 360
by Angelo Machils
Satish wrote:
>I'm using the yum.conf from http://www.fedorafaq.org/#yumconf and now I get
>> this message when I try to do an update:
>> inding updated packages
>> Downloading needed headers
>> Resolving dependencies
>> .Package vlc needs libdvdnav.so.0, this is not available.
>> Vlc is the latest version (0.7.2) and libdvdnav.so.0 is available in the
>> /usr/lib directory. The version of libdvdnav is
>> libdvdnav-0.1.9-3.1.fc2.fr.....
>
>
>
>This is a repository problem with 'vlc' (whichever repo it came from)
>
>There is a new version of libdvdnav - but 'vlc' which is currently
>installed (from the same repository?) depends on the old libdvdnav
>currently installed. (so the new libdvdnav package breaks this
>dependency)
>
>The solution is to have an updated vnc build with the updated libdvdnav
>
>If you don't care for the new libdvdnav - just do:
>
>yum --exclude=libdvdnav update
>
>Satish
>
Hello!
The 'yum-exclude' works, thanks!!!!
I have the latest version of VLC, so there is not much to updated I'm
afraid. But for now this works.
Thanks again, Angelo
19 years, 6 months
RE: Enabling VNC
by Vlad Ignatenko
Sorry, mates, I figured it all out. Just been a lazy bastard..
-----Original Message-----
From: Vlad Ignatenko [mailto:vlad@afspeed.org]
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 11:17 AM
To: 'For users of Fedora Core releases'
Subject: RE: Enabling VNC
Hi, excuse my illiteracy, but where exactly do I go to uncomment the lines?
Also when connecting from other places than computers on my LAN, do I use
the WAN IP address (assigned to the router) in the following manner?
WAN_IP:1
Many thanks,
V
-----Original Message-----
From: fedora-list-bounces(a)redhat.com [mailto:fedora-list-bounces@redhat.com]
On Behalf Of Jeremy Conlin
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 9:07 AM
To: fedora-list(a)redhat.com
Subject: Re: Enabling VNC
On 2004-10-19 10:16:04 -0400, Volker Kindermann <ml(a)ps102.de> said:
> Here's my xstartup (it's a Red Hat ES 3.0 but should be similar on
> Fedora) that starts the default gnome-session:
>
> ---
> #!/bin/sh
>
> # Uncomment the following two lines for normal desktop:
> unset SESSION_MANAGER
> exec /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
>
> [ -r $HOME/.Xresources ] && xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
> xsetroot -solid grey
> vncconfig -iconic &
> xterm -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" &
> twm &
> ---
My xstartup looked nearly the same. I uncommented the exec... line
earlier and just now uncommented the unset... line. After rebooting
(and restarting vncserver) and closing the firewall it came up just the
way I expected it to. Now, how can I configure the firewall to accept
vnc connections without turning it off? And how can I get vncserver to
start on boot?
I thought I heard once that I don't need a VNC client to do this as X11
will do it if it is configured correctly. Is this a correct statement
or am I required to use a client?
Thanks,
Jeremy
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19 years, 6 months
audacity segfaults on FC2
by Hannes Mayer
Hi all!
I tried to record sound with krec - didn't work, so I tried audacity.
I installed the audacity rpm from Dag, freshrpms, and from Planet CCRMA
as recommended on the audacity sf.net site, but no avail.
All 3 builds segfault while starting.
Anyone got audacity working on FC2 ?
Thank you & best regards,
Hannes.
19 years, 6 months
my background
by BB Cao
Dear all,
Due to an accident, my backgound image (Genome) is not
visuable, now it is deep blue, and all those icons,
such as XXX'home, etc, are all gone too. There is no
right-click on the screen, either. Can anybody please
show me how to get them back? Thanks!
Best,
Cao
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19 years, 6 months
migrating ldap user details
by Rajiv
Dear All,
Currently we are using LDAP running with Windows ADS. We want to migrate to Linux environment totally, while doing this Linux authentication is required. Now question is, whether it is possible to migrate user details form Windows to Linux Authentication system or not.
Regards,
Rajiv
19 years, 6 months
