Fwd: [Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse]

TL;DR: Emails I'm sending to this list take many hours until they reach this list. Main problem 'tho is that shortly after sending them I'm getting an error message from postmaster(a)outlook.com telling me about unspecified errors regarding the mail transport. The message for this is attached with this email. Details: I actually wanted to send this email to an admin responsible for this list, but there's no one to find. And I encourage everyone not familiar with a mess like below to simply ignore this message: I hope 'tho that someone from the Fedora list admins has a look at it. The problem seems to be on the side of the Fedora mail distribution servers, that seem to be connected in one way or another with outlook.com. The error message below, that was sent to me after sending an email to this list (via relay=mail.gmx.net. [212.227.17.190] - the message itself can be seen at the very end of the forwarded message below) is a mess, so it's not clear at all who is resposible for the fact that my emails to this list are 1: first delivered with no problems that I'd know of to the Fedora list's servers (see the default Fedora list footers attached to my email that I sent, at the very end of this message, which seem to indicate just that) and after that successfull delivery to the fedora servers are 2: managed by some outlook.com servers (please see messages below), that complain that "(protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning lists.fedoraproject.org discourages use of 205.220.165.146 as permitted sender)" 3: Additionally some y.antoniowatson(a)gmail.com is involved (see below). Plus I checked my MTA (sendmail) logs: I have not sent this mail at the very end to some y.antoniowatson(a)gmail.com, whoever this is ... The email below, at the very end of this forwarded mail, obviously, after successfully being sent to the fedora list servers, was handled by outlook.com and lists.fedoraproject.org - and in the end delivered to this list. After many hours. So two questions to Fedora list admins (or anyone else who understands the message attached) 1: Is my email address roto(a)gmx.net seen as a spammer address by the Fedora list software? 2: Does anyone understand what happened according to the message attached below from postmaster(a)outlook.com Thanks in anticipation Wolfgang ----- Forwarded message from postmaster(a)outlook.com ----- Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:46:59 +0000 From: postmaster(a)outlook.com Subject: Undeliverable: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse To: roto(a)gmx.net Delivery has failed to these recipients or groups: y.antoniowatson@gmail.com<mailto:y.antoniowatson@gmail.com> Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it. 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Please visit 550-5.7.26 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 550 5.7.26 information. r20-20020a05640251d400b0045d4b7ad162si6801981edd.546 - gsmtp' Original message headers: Received: from AM7P189MB0759.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:20b:112::22) by PR3P189MB1017.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:102:49::19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.5746.28; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:46:59 +0000 Resent-From: <yurelw(a)outlook.com&gt; Received: from AM7P189MB0759.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([::1]) by AM7P189MB0759.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM ([fe80::55cb:31af:f4b8:4802%7]) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 15.20.5746.026; Wed, 26 Oct 2022 17:46:59 +0000 Authentication-Results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 205.220.165.146) smtp.mailfrom=lists.fedoraproject.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=fail action=none header.from=gmx.net; Received-SPF: SoftFail (protection.outlook.com: domain of transitioning lists.fedoraproject.org discourages use of 205.220.165.146 as permitted sender) X-IncomingTopHeaderMarker: OriginalChecksum:5F996FCD486CB9A5DDC47F972D9B274246B5922993F5A04FD24DDE6016C7FBA6;UpperCasedChecksum:98B9C064274D738DF1836C2DE295FF7A3BECD580157A142003FD238176733849;SizeAsReceived:8269;Count:50 Authentication-Results-Original: ppops.net; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=users-bounces(a)lists.fedoraproject.org DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 bastion01.iad2.fedoraproject.org 34842309A1BC X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on mailman01.iad2.fedoraproject.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2,SPF_HELO_NONE autolearn=disabled version=3.4.0 X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:46:03 +0200 From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer <roto(a)gmx.net&gt; To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; Subject: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse Message-ID: <Y1lyW5vQH38/PuKq@localhost> References: <cf58117ae2537939313425e20d1e782174551b8f.camel(a)gmail.com&gt; <cone.1666658660.788601.74631.1004(a)monster.email-scan.com&gt; MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <cone.1666658660.788601.74631.1004(a)monster.email-scan.com&gt; User-Agent: Mutt/2.1.5 (2021-12-30) X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:9i1HzSehIxgsFHqIVzO2mpUH4B9K7b0QnEYEiU7URgdhSDf2X9h g1fqP+oGWslID5hT+fny4KXifcqELWaTUlk0I3jS51vW08esUCcrgopgXXOkKutRlsYcjuI FOMPb86JNAKy+XVatM0CeA5oEfhcRlgDZMeTu4yLutB64szWFTxq5YuiEvOzvLrcUF8/1g8 5p1ChPJCbltDiOeKiUgfg== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:KdSpR1RrdTo=;xRC5Z9PZSnzq7+mEMXcKufwJnlx a1v1z20iBrAwuXW5ibmsyJmX5sgwEVSIh01uffICDM4nLnHxk1ne41+0A/LTTkehFzuXMlZlk 6BC8r3S1Q4mnq0qGhis7zieLyTbtYLXVDA0crajBEP8Q8PO81/A8mp9Uk0lOdATYcoqvKWIbb iX0spn53kY9bGrsqGZOEQ4Wq6S6S2gS5Amx426nCBY7BiGrgxQnkhPHN4RQJJgnAFBVKGVBxH u78V2sqkrMxiTDr+wkXw6x9fbgtUjPD4aW8lq6BZYQyIYIt0gSRsQ6/calTyJc3s76jEXKVSd Yq3y0cAabmNxVwi8pbq181yLQ3RiOST1f8Ve8/YEf6SQ1XzrHZTvVUq5XjX5nDG0dBQw09pGU xnf7Opy3mNcP9pkpvAhpNgyQKVkQTQUOoP3b/b7bw62dpn5DiE01C0CcKVWAD2CdZNUV8wug3 dNmNyVu906Nslp/NfqoxMLoeZRpPajY4iNjTswZKux85/liL35qGujpY1rELHNCgpTEzTpH+o r9XbeXWkIX5tV+hF3USQtIV5y8dmvYnHd0yuL8grwd4ldd5tHKDXzcq98eMAelKklLvxPMkc4 K7MYu3fAzh4DignsfKaOs3ugS0KF+JGF20XLMHtf55UNWwB3Ci+qHO9+lfTMNlISKA9caN+5j p1wsdbpeGN4zycI6SfMqZPgI5PvPmO/GimxJ01eea6wzDraVX4Ge0P7HrrSr4ahXqwzBTsPEj baWBn1+hcc2OA3hZsrG6Z4s1FL7YrWRM5Rs4/OolW8micEA1dJhombZKymB15JF9GroQwLrbc lXjTw7Pgmp6xw4bBdHZ9FAUnPbgmhpf4Xo2iamKK+SSv/WRCPuUv5kMKJHsAKvdFn8Ek5HK1Q TyoI5Ix9OCdbTChXuvZ/WA23wHS8WNdMQIdcQA9V6HRclSTQcT+qPWeSS6ERKXSrAJmRoqqof 22oRFi31AuboEmXhtHepDlCzyIs= Message-ID-Hash: GKCG5AXR4DQWAVNOHFBJLNIHEV6GSTTC X-Message-ID-Hash: GKCG5AXR4DQWAVNOHFBJLNIHEV6GSTTC X-MailFrom: roto(a)gmx.net X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-config-1; header-match-config-2; header-match-config-3; header-match-users.lists.fedoraproject.org-0; header-match-users.lists.fedoraproject.org-1; header-match-users.lists.fedoraproject.org-2; header-match-users.lists.fedoraproject.org-3; header-match-users.lists.fedoraproject.org-4; header-match-users.lists.fedoraproject.org-5; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; suspicious-header X-Mailman-Version: 3.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; List-Id: Community support for Fedora users <users.lists.fedoraproject.org> Archived-At: <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.o... 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To best protect our users from spam and phishing, 550-5.7.26 the message has been blocked. Please visit 550-5.7.26 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 550 5.7.26 information. r20-20020a05640251d400b0045d4b7ad162si6801981edd.546 - gsmtp Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 19:46:03 +0200 From: Wolfgang Pfeiffer <roto(a)gmx.net&gt; Subject: Re: Mailing lists and Discourse Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; To: Community support for Fedora users <users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; User-Agent: Mutt/2.1.5 (2021-12-30) On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 08:44:20PM -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Nailed it: Twooter, Spacebook, TokTik. Devolution - whatever you call it - in the West seems to be a fact in many fields. Whereas intellectually and when it comes to patents Asians are getting a lot better over the last years. 2021 more than 50% of patent filings [*] came from Asia (China 25.1%, Japan 18.1%, Republic of Korea 7.5%), USA 21.5% and Germany 6.2% - this is a total reverse from the numbers of 1994: US were No.1, Germany #2, Japan #4, Korea #18, China #21. But yes: Let's all be happy with a few butttons to press. "Press Green" > "Say yes" > "Now Go away" Wolfgang [*] https://www.wipo.int/edocs/pctndocs/en/2022/pct_news_2022_02.pdf _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@lists.fedoraproject.org Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue ----- End forwarded message -----