Microsoft courts Red Hat
Quest to improve Windows/Linux interoperability continues Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 19 Feb 2007
Microsoft is to form a partnership with Red Hat to improve the interoperability of Windows and Linux, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards.
Full article at; http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2183540/microsoft-courts-red-hat
taharka
Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:41:15 -0500 taharka res00vl8@alltel.net wrote:
Microsoft is to form a partnership with Red Hat to improve the interoperability of Windows and Linux, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards.
But the only interoperability problems are always caused by Microsoft refusing to actually obey existing RFCs. What's the partnership going to do? Break redhat the same way microsoft is already broken?
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:41:15 -0500 taharka res00vl8@alltel.net wrote:
Microsoft is to form a partnership with Red Hat to improve the interoperability of Windows and Linux, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards.
But the only interoperability problems are always caused by Microsoft refusing to actually obey existing RFCs. What's the partnership going to do? Break redhat the same way microsoft is already broken?
I suspect it is an attempt to trick them into violating some hidden IP landmine.
I don't truct Micorsoft as far as I can throw Balmer.
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 22:54, alan wrote:
I don't truct Micorsoft as far as I can throw Balmer.
You managed to get the opportunity to do this? Respect. Just how far can you throw him? :-)
Dave F
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 23:03 +0000, David Fletcher wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 22:54, alan wrote:
I don't truct Micorsoft as far as I can throw Balmer.
You managed to get the opportunity to do this? Respect. Just how far can you throw him? :-)
Dave F
13"? Balmer is not fat... he's just big boned...
- GIlboa
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 15:49 +0200, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 23:03 +0000, David Fletcher wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 22:54, alan wrote:
I don't truct Micorsoft as far as I can throw Balmer.
You managed to get the opportunity to do this? Respect. Just how far can you throw him? :-)
Dave F
13"? Balmer is not fat... he's just big boned...
Yeah, Balmer and Cartman. Hmmm.
Cartman: "I love cheesy poofs!..." Balmer: "Developers! Developers! Developers!"
Sheesh!
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In article 1172168532.3428.20.camel@prophead.corp.publichost.com, Rick Stevens fedora-list@redhat.com wrote:
Balmer is not fat... he's just big boned...
Yeah, Balmer and Cartman. Hmmm.
Cartman: "I love cheesy poofs!..." Balmer: "Developers! Developers! Developers!"
Sheesh!
Oh, my god! They killed Red Hat!
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 02:34 +0000, Rick wrote:
In article 1172168532.3428.20.camel@prophead.corp.publichost.com, Rick Stevens fedora-list@redhat.com wrote:
Balmer is not fat... he's just big boned...
Yeah, Balmer and Cartman. Hmmm.
Cartman: "I love cheesy poofs!..." Balmer: "Developers! Developers! Developers!"
Sheesh!
Oh, my god! They killed Red Hat!
---- Kenny Star ?
Craig
On Thu, 2007-02-22 at 19:46 -0700, Craig White wrote:
On Fri, 2007-02-23 at 02:34 +0000, Rick wrote:
In article 1172168532.3428.20.camel@prophead.corp.publichost.com, Rick Stevens fedora-list@redhat.com wrote:
Balmer is not fat... he's just big boned...
Yeah, Balmer and Cartman. Hmmm.
Cartman: "I love cheesy poofs!..." Balmer: "Developers! Developers! Developers!"
Sheesh!
Oh, my god! They killed Red Hat!
The Bastards!
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, alan wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:41:15 -0500
taharka res00vl8@alltel.net wrote:
Microsoft is to form a partnership with Red Hat to improve the interoperability of Windows and Linux, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards.
But the only interoperability problems are always caused by Microsoft refusing to actually obey existing RFCs. What's the partnership going to do? Break redhat the same way microsoft is already broken?
I suspect it is an attempt to trick them into violating some hidden IP landmine.
I don't truct Micorsoft as far as I can throw Balmer.
With, or without his chair? The chair might be an advantage as it would offer a firmer grip...
-- "Invoking the supernatural can explain anything, and hence explains nothing." - University of Utah bioengineering professor Gregory Clark
On Wed, 2007-02-21 at 18:31 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Wednesday 21 February 2007, alan wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:41:15 -0500
taharka res00vl8@alltel.net wrote:
Microsoft is to form a partnership with Red Hat to improve the interoperability of Windows and Linux, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards.
But the only interoperability problems are always caused by Microsoft refusing to actually obey existing RFCs. What's the partnership going to do? Break redhat the same way microsoft is already broken?
I suspect it is an attempt to trick them into violating some hidden IP landmine.
I don't truct Micorsoft as far as I can throw Balmer.
With, or without his chair? The chair might be an advantage as it would offer a firmer grip...
And you wouldn't need to touch "Jabba the Hutt" Balmer. The amount of slime oozed by any Microsoft executive automatically requires a full hazmat suit to get within 100 meters of them, and that will restrict your throwing motion.
-- "Invoking the supernatural can explain anything, and hence explains nothing." - University of Utah bioengineering professor Gregory Clark
-- Cheers, Gene "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Yahoo.com and AOL/TW attorneys please note, additions to the above message by Gene Heskett are: Copyright 2007 by Maurice Eugene Heskett, all rights reserved.
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taharka:
Microsoft is to form a partnership with Red Hat to improve the interoperability of Windows and Linux, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards.
Tom Horsley:
But the only interoperability problems are always caused by Microsoft refusing to actually obey existing RFCs. What's the partnership going to do? Break redhat the same way microsoft is already broken?
That, and not defining their own techniques in a manner that others could use the information usefully, as well as continually changing them.
It takes no special partnership between Microsoft and anyone else to improve interoperability, all it takes is for Microsoft to stop behaving like they currently do.
Tom Horsley wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:41:15 -0500 taharka res00vl8@alltel.net wrote:
Microsoft is to form a partnership with Red Hat to improve the interoperability of Windows and Linux, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards.
But the only interoperability problems are always caused by
"Only" and "always" are very big words.
Microsoft refusing to actually obey existing RFCs. What's the partnership going to do? Break redhat the same way microsoft is already broken?
I used to work for a telecomm company, which I shall not name. We manufactured STPs (and other telecomm equipment) which had to "talk" SS7 to other manufacturer's equipment. Another equipment manufacturer, which I shall also not name, routinely broke the SS7 protocol by issuing invalid requests. If one responded with a denial, it would repeat the same request. Eventually, it would report the denying equipment as being at fault, and remove it from its list of candidates for forward. Repeated requests to get this other company to modify its equipment's behavior were met with stolid silence. Eventually, we modified our equipment, by reverse-engineering how their equipment responded when we sent it similar requests, so that the requests would go through. We figured out what it was really asking for, and re-created a new conforming message which we forwarded.
"Interoperability" is a very large word, also.
You want your equipment/software/whatever to be accepted and successful, you make it work in the world as it is, not as you think it should be.
C'est la vie.
Mike
In article 45DE71DA.7030806@sbcglobal.net, Mike McCarty fedora-list@redhat.com wrote:
I used to work for a telecomm company, which I shall not name. We manufactured STPs (and other telecomm equipment) which had to "talk" SS7 to other manufacturer's equipment. Another equipment manufacturer, which I shall also not name, routinely broke the SS7 protocol by issuing invalid requests.
It probably wasn't unintentional either. Even deal with R2 signaling? Every country got a different version of R2 and I'm pretty sure that was to make it hard for anybody but the orignal switch maker to compete.
On Wednesday 21 February 2007 11:41:15 am taharka wrote:
Microsoft courts Red Hat
Quest to improve Windows/Linux interoperability continues Tom Sanders in California, vnunet.com 19 Feb 2007
Microsoft is to form a partnership with Red Hat to improve the interoperability of Windows and Linux, according to Tom Robertson, Microsoft's general manager of interoperability and standards.
Full article at; http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2183540/microsoft-courts-red-hat
taharka
Lexington, Kentucky U.S.A.
I would firmly doubt that RH would make a deal of such a nature with Microsoft, but I can always be wrong. I was using suse and Fedora at the time the Novell deal was announced. I quickly dropped suse and will do the same if such a deal would occur. I cannot see any positive effects on Fedora which is my current distro of choice. I know people always talk about Debian's politics and how they can be eccentric about applications being free and all but I may end up going back this way if need be. In my opinion it would be a shame for RH to get into bed with microsoft but again I am not lawyer or company president so my two cents does not mean squat, but I hope for the best Fedora is fast becoming the leader in open source distro's and is moving in the right direction. I can only hope it stays this way. I find it hard to believe that RH would need extra revenue or some kind of deal with microsoft to increase its profits.
lostson lostson@lostsonsvault.org writes:
I would firmly doubt that RH would make a deal of such a nature with Microsoft, but I can always be wrong. I was using suse and Fedora at the time the Novell deal was announced. I quickly dropped suse and will do the same if such a deal would occur. I cannot see any positive effects on Fedora which is my current distro of choice.
I'd say that it would be fine with me if they did a pure interoperability/virtualization deal. A patent deal is an entirely different matter, and Red Hat have officially stated that they will not enter such a deal with Microsoft.
Regards Ingemar
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