On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 14:10, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 09:02 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 06:50, Patrick O'Callaghan
> <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2021-06-18 at 08:58 +1000, Cameron Simpson
wrote:
> > > On 17Jun2021 12:15, Patrick O'Callaghan <pocallaghan(a)gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 2021-06-17 at 07:20 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> > > > > > The technical specifications of the drives should mention
> > > > > > startup
> > > > > power
> > > > > management. There may also be some power management in the
> > > > > dock.
> > > > > I've noticed that it is becoming more difficult to find
> > > > > detailed
> > > > > documentation
> > > > > of add-on hardware. At one time you could open the box,
> > > > > identify
> > > > > key
> > > > > IC's
> > > > > and get the spec. sheets, but now you may find a general-
> > > > > purpose
> > > > > CPU.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > It's a cheap dock so probably not easy
to find any technical
> > > > documentation. One thing I might try is to swap the two drives
> > > > around
> > > > just to see if it's always the same one that causes the delay.
> >
> > > On the subject of
power as raised by George, I had trouble with too
> > > many
> > > USB bus powered drives on the home server. A powered USB 3.1 hub
> > > helps
> > > me out there. Doubtless it has its own limits.
>
> > The dock has its own power supply.
>
> Is this a full-featured dock
with USB and monitor outlets or a
> disk only dock?
> It might be useful to compare the rating of the power
supply with
> the peak load from the drive spec sheet. Older high RPM drives
> had quite high startup draw. Does the power supply have multiple
> voltages or just one voltage (the latter requires conversion in the
> hub)? If the power supply can't meet the startup requirements of
> two drives then it must be doing some power management. The
> simplest approach would be to provide a delay before starting
> one of the drives.
Interesting idea. Mine is this model:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B06XYJGDTH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asi...
The power block says its output is 3A at 12V.
The drives are both WD model WD10EZEX, (though the label on one says it
has a 64MB cache and the other doesn't). Both labels say 5VDC, 0.68A
and 12VDC, 0.55A. Looks like the dock's power should be enough.
The spec sheet <
https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets...
says 12V peak load is 2.5 A. It does take power to spin up to
7500 RPM,
and I doubt your
supply could survive without staggered startup.
> > Amazon has a popular Sabrent disk-only dock -- one
review notes:
>
> > Cons
> > - when using 2 drives and plugging or unplugging one drive BOTH
> > go offline, at least temporarily. NOTE: Seems to be a common limitation
> > to all these docks. I have yet to find one that does not behave this
> > way.
> > Must be the way the SATA bus controller is designed.
> > - when plugging in 2 drives, they mount sequentially, meaning you
> > have to wait for one to mount before the other will
> My problem is that one drive comes up almost instantly and
the other
> takes 30 seconds. In fact I can live with that. My real gripe is that
> the kernel makes me wait even though the drive is not being accessed.
> If it just wants to make the drive available, it should be able to wait
> asynchronously.
Agreed, but then you need a way to tell the kernel that it won't need
anything
from the external drives so it is OK to continue booting. Have you
considered
automounting the drives?
--
George N. White III