8:45 a.m.
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Bob
2:11 p.m.
On 28/10/09 11:54, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:29 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to
> 776:
>
> [bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll
> total 12
> -rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odt
>
The group ownership is rather telling. Why is there a "root" in there?
And what do you mean by copied from OO? Open a file from one place in
OpenOffice.org and saved to somewhere else? Something else? What's the
process that your files have been through from initial creation to you
working on them? Any backups in the middle? And, if so, how were they
done?
None of *my* files ever get "root" in the user or group ownerships.
The origins of this file are long lost. It probably began as a
StarOffice file, I don't remember. It's a form I use to keep track of
the pills I take. Routine stuff that is easily lost track of, did I or
didn't I? It has been modified numerous times over the last ten years or
so as med's change, etc. I probably changed permissions and owner,
usually all I want is to print ten more copies and do whatever it takes
to get it done.
The problem was with the directory ootext which apparently had it's
permissions corrupted somehow when I transferred it from the F-10
computer. I don't know what I might have done wrong but I removed the
directory and created a new one with the same name.
[bobg@box9 ~]$ ll /home/bobg/ootext
-rw-rw-r--. 1 bobg bobg 9425 2009-10-28 15:01 bp-meds-091028.odt
OpenOffice no longer treats it as read only. It should not have
taken me that long to find the problem but I thought it was
something in the OpenOffice configuration and wasted time on that
tangent.
Thanks for the help.
Bob
7:14 p.m.
Bob Goodwin wrote:
On 28/10/09 17:12, James Wilkinson wrote:
> Bob Goodwin wrote:
>
>> I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
>> word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
>>
>> I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
>> me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
>> see where to change it.
>>
>> Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
>>
>>
> Have you checked SELinux: do you have setroubleshoot installed?
>
> James.
>
I guess I do, not sure how to tell but when I do locate "setroubleshoot"
it produces a long list of files. I haven't had any selinux error
messages since installing F-11.
"locate setroubleshoot" will show you a list of files with
'setroubleshoot' somewhere in the path. If you get a long list, then
you have it installed. Under Gnome, you can run it by going to:
Applications->System Tools->SELinux Troubleshooter
My problems appear to occur when I transfer files via sftp. That
changed
the owner to root. I created a new directory as user "bobg" and moved
the files to it, then removed the original directory and recreated it as
bobg and put the files back in and things work normally. I imagine all
that really needs to be done is to change the owner, the permissions
were ok.
Unless you use the "-P" option to the "get" command, then sftp will
change the ownership to whomever you ran sftp as and the permissions
will be set to the umask for that user. I don't think sftp has any
concept of SELinux contexts, though, so the files may need to be
"restorecon"ned as well after downloading.
Things are working and I know how to cause the problem, another case
of
knowing what doesn't work. I'm sure it is the result of doing something
wrong with sftp. That will take some more investigation I've transferred
a lot of files that way without a problem?
Note that "scp" works as well, but the option is "-p", not
"-P":
scp -p remote-machine:/path/to/files /local/path
I prefer it because you can pull down multiple files and subdirectories
as well by using the "-r" option:
scp -rp remote-machine:/path/to/files /local/path
Whatever floats your boat, I suppose.
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On 28/10/09 17:12, James Wilkinson wrote:
Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
> word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
>
> I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
> me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
> see where to change it.
>
> Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
>
>
Have you checked SELinux: do you have setroubleshoot installed?
James.
I guess I do, not sure how to tell but when I do locate "setroubleshoot"
it produces a long list of files. I haven't had any selinux error
messages since installing F-11.
My problems appear to occur when I transfer files via sftp. That changed
the owner to root. I created a new directory as user "bobg" and moved
the files to it, then removed the original directory and recreated it as
bobg and put the files back in and things work normally. I imagine all
that really needs to be done is to change the owner, the permissions
were ok.
Things are working and I know how to cause the problem, another case of
knowing what doesn't work. I'm sure it is the result of doing something
wrong with sftp. That will take some more investigation I've transferred
a lot of iles that way without a problem?
Bob
4:12 p.m.
Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the
OpenOffice
word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Have you checked SELinux: do you have setroubleshoot installed?
James.
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2:16 p.m.
On 28/10/09 15:05, Steve Searle wrote:
Around 01:45pm on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 (UK time), Bob Goodwin
scrawled:
> I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
> word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
>
> I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
> me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
> see where to change it.
>
> Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
>
I saw similar symptoms a while back.
Are the files on the local machine, or are they on an NFS mount? If the
latter, try (temporarily) taking down the firewall on the server.
If that works, look here for more details:
http://www.stevesearle.com/tech/faq.html#nfs0010
Steve
I don't remember how I copied them but I had all the old F-10 files on
the nfs server and quite likely took them from there. At any rate I've
got things working with some external stimulation from this mailing list.
Thanks again
Bob
2:05 p.m.
Around 01:45pm on Wednesday, October 28, 2009 (UK time), Bob Goodwin scrawled:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
I saw similar symptoms a while back.
Are the files on the local machine, or are they on an NFS mount? If the
latter, try (temporarily) taking down the firewall on the server.
If that works, look here for more details:
http://www.stevesearle.com/tech/faq.html#nfs0010
Steve
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11:59 a.m.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Fennix <cn.stefan(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Tim
<ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au>wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:29 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> > This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to
> > 776:
> >
> > [bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll
> > total 12
> > -rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odt
>
> The group ownership is rather telling. Why is there a "root" in there?
> And what do you mean by copied from OO? Open a file from one place in
> OpenOffice.org and saved to somewhere else? Something else? What's the
> process that your files have been through from initial creation to you
> working on them? Any backups in the middle? And, if so, how were they
> done?
>
> None of *my* files ever get "root" in the user or group ownerships.
>
> --
> [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
> 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
>
Hmmm, I have changed one file named unknown.odt to permissions of 776 with
ownership fennix:root and subsequently have no difficulty with editing and
saving my changes. This file is also is on the data disk that has been
remounted after installation/upgrade through 4 fedora versions and retaining
my user and group id's (uid and gid) which always is the same. But if your
files are somehow "copied" rather than the originals as mine are perhaps
some other question is involved. My user ID is just the installation
default so has no groups added to it such as root. My uid and gid is always
500. I always use the default OO package supplied from Fedora. There seems
to be more involved with whatever you have done through your upgrade process
and perhaps we have not yet asked the right question yet.
Yours,
Fennix
Forgot to mention the file unknown.odt was not just created to test your
question. It is a file from 2005.10.27 and predates my current data disk by
several years (so was copied there from another disk(s) and was created on a
4 year old version of OO). I have never changed the ownership nor
permissions on this file until today to test your question and to attempt to
duplicate your problem.
Yours,
Fennix
11:52 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Tim <ignored_mailbox(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:29 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to
> 776:
>
> [bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll
> total 12
> -rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odt
The group ownership is rather telling. Why is there a "root" in there?
And what do you mean by copied from OO? Open a file from one place in
OpenOffice.org and saved to somewhere else? Something else? What's the
process that your files have been through from initial creation to you
working on them? Any backups in the middle? And, if so, how were they
done?
None of *my* files ever get "root" in the user or group ownerships.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
Hmmm, I have changed one file named unknown.odt to permissions of 776 with
ownership fennix:root and subsequently have no difficulty with editing and
saving my changes. This file is also is on the data disk that has been
remounted after installation/upgrade through 4 fedora versions and retaining
my user and group id's (uid and gid) which always is the same. But if your
files are somehow "copied" rather than the originals as mine are perhaps
some other question is involved. My user ID is just the installation
default so has no groups added to it such as root. My uid and gid is always
500. I always use the default OO package supplied from Fedora. There seems
to be more involved with whatever you have done through your upgrade process
and perhaps we have not yet asked the right question yet.
Yours,
Fennix
10:54 a.m.
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 11:29 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions
to
776:
[bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll
total 12
-rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odt
The group ownership is rather telling. Why is there a "root" in there?
And what do you mean by copied from OO? Open a file from one place in
OpenOffice.org and saved to somewhere else? Something else? What's the
process that your files have been through from initial creation to you
working on them? Any backups in the middle? And, if so, how were they
done?
None of *my* files ever get "root" in the user or group ownerships.
--
[tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r
2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I
read messages from the public lists.
10:29 a.m.
On 28/10/09 11:11, Fennix wrote:
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Bob Goodwin
<bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net
<mailto:bobgoodwin@wildblue.net>> wrote:
On 28/10/09 10:36, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:45 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the
OpenOffice
word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit
anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it
doesn't trust
me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but
I can't
see where to change it.
Are you working on other people's files? Are you one of those
people
who log in as root?
The files are for user "bobg." Neither computer has ever been
booted to root. Obviously there are many things that must be done
as "su." I don't think the OO install is one of them. Both systems
were originally installed from the Omega live cd but I don't
recall if OO comes with it or not. But I have had to install a lot
of other app's and have had no such trouble.
Bob
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I have seen like this before when files have been copied back from
CD/DVD and are flagged as "read-only." I know that you have not said
that you had done this. I know that you have checked the ownership.
My last several version upgrades have been done using preupgrade. My
data "home" is on another disk separate from the currently installed
home and I have never seen these symptoms except when having copied
data back from archival (read-only) media. Hope this helps think of
something....
Fennix
This file was copied from OO in F-10 but I have set the permissions to 776:
[bobg@box9 ootext]$ ll
total 12
-rwxrwxrw-. 1 bobg root 9554 2009-10-07 09:42 bp-meds.090827.odt
Bob
10:19 a.m.
Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Can we assume that the border around OOWriter reads some like....
File_Name_you_are_working_on (read-only) OpenOffice.org Writer
Now, you've looked at the permissions of the file you wish to
edit....but did you also check the permissions of the parent
directories? If, for example, the directory that contains the file is
500 even if the directory is owned by "bobg" and even if the file is set
to 666 you won't be able to edit the file.....
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10:11 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net>wrote:
On 28/10/09 10:36, Tim wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:45 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>
>
>> I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
>> word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
>>
>> I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
>> me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
>> see where to change it.
>>
>>
> Are you working on other people's files? Are you one of those people
> who log in as root?
>
>
>
The files are for user "bobg." Neither computer has ever been booted to
root. Obviously there are many things that must be done as "su." I don't
think the OO install is one of them. Both systems were originally installed
from the Omega live cd but I don't recall if OO comes with it or not. But I
have had to install a lot of other app's and have had no such trouble.
Bob
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I have seen like this before when files have been copied back from CD/DVD
and are flagged as "read-only." I know that you have not said that you had
done this. I know that you have checked the ownership. My last several
version upgrades have been done using preupgrade. My data "home" is on
another disk separate from the currently installed home and I have never
seen these symptoms except when having copied data back from archival
(read-only) media. Hope this helps think of something....
Fennix
9:44 a.m.
On 28/10/09 10:36, Tim wrote:
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:45 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
> word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
>
> I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
> me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
> see where to change it.
>
Are you working on other people's files? Are you one of those people
who log in as root?
The files are for user "bobg." Neither computer has ever been booted
to
root. Obviously there are many things that must be done as "su." I don't
think the OO install is one of them. Both systems were originally
installed from the Omega live cd but I don't recall if OO comes with it
or not. But I have had to install a lot of other app's and have had no
such trouble.
Bob
9:36 a.m.
On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 09:45 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
see where to change it.
Are you working on other people's files? Are you one of those people
who log in as root?
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2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686
Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I
read messages from the public lists.
9:32 a.m.
On 28/10/09 10:17, Daniel J Celta wrote:
Bob
Look into the permissions by using the 'chmod' command.
You may need to pull the man pages to understand the sintax of how to
use it.
Daniel J Celta
I've been changing permissions, I know well how to do that but hate to
change things "willy-nilly."
Nothing I have changed so far has helped. I haven't had this problems
with any other applications, just OO!
Thanks for your response.
Bob
9:17 a.m.
Bob
Look into the permissions by using the 'chmod' command.
You may need to pull the man pages to understand the sintax of how to
use it.
Daniel J Celta
On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:45 AM, Bob Goodwin <bobgoodwin(a)wildblue.net>
wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Bob
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9:06 a.m.
Did you check, whether you are in a directory where the files are
without write permission for the owner?
suomi
On 10/28/2009 02:45 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:
I have two completely updated F-11 computers in which the OpenOffice
word processor is nearly useless because I can't edit anything?
I can open a document and copy it to a new file but it doesn't trust
me to change anything, a matter of permissions perhaps but I can't
see where to change it.
Am I alone in this, can anyone tell me what I need to do?
Bob
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