On 01Feb2007 16:57, Cameron Simpson cs@zip.com.au wrote:
One approach may be to connect a non-web mail reader to your hotmail account. Does it allow POP or IMAP access? If so, you could connect something like thunderbird (or getmail or fetchmail, depending on your mail setup) to the pop/imap service, and set up your outgoing email to use your hotmail address on the headers.
I've decided to use my favourite email program, kmail, which I use always. I only use those online email sites for chatting on forums and lists, as I am wary about contaminating my provider account with spam. I had to create an email alias with my provider - yes, another identity! alas! - but at least I don't have to go to a web site to write, which is easier. Also, the provider doesn't allow names longer than 8 characters, so kwhiskerz had to become kuiskers, which is still in my kde theme, and the meaning is clear, as is the pronunciation, but it now looks Dutch :-)
I've noticed that when I hit reply with kmail, a field opens below the quoted text, while reply in hotmail (and gmail, I think) opens the reply field above the quoted text. I have never given much thought to top- or bottom-posting, but simply type my reply into the space provided by the programmers of the software.
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 16:57 -0700, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote:
I can understand that, but you've picked the spawn of the devil to work with. I'm sure if you say what you want from a service (webmail or not, IMAP, POP3, masses of storage, your own domain name, etc.), you'll get some suggestions of what to try.
Google's not imap, is it? Which is a free (in both senses, even) imap mail to try?
Yeah, I was kind of thinking hotmail for corresponding with redhat would be more than a bit uncool :-)
The nice thing about using my provider's email is that I just click 'check mail in' and all of the mail comes, and they have web access, too. Unfortunately, it is pop and not imap.
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On 01Feb2007 19:39, kuiskers kuiskers@telus.net wrote: | > On 01Feb2007 16:57, Cameron Simpson cs@zip.com.au wrote: | > One approach may be to connect a non-web mail reader to your hotmail | > account. Does it allow POP or IMAP access? If so, you could connect | > something like thunderbird (or getmail or fetchmail, depending on your | > mail setup) to the pop/imap service, and set up your outgoing email to | > use your hotmail address on the headers. | | I've decided to use my favourite email program, kmail, which I use always.
Excellent.
I notice you haven't set it up to use your kwhiskerz@hotmail.com address?
| I only use those online email sites for chatting on forums and lists, as I am | wary about contaminating my provider account with spam. I had to create an | email alias with my provider - yes, another identity! alas!
If you never tell people about it (whoops!) this doesn't matter.
| - but at least I | don't have to go to a web site to write, which is easier. Also, the provider | doesn't allow names longer than 8 characters, so kwhiskerz had to become | kuiskers, which is still in my kde theme, and the meaning is clear, as is the | pronunciation, but it now looks Dutch :-) | | I've noticed that when I hit reply with kmail, a field opens below the quoted | text, while reply in hotmail (and gmail, I think) opens the reply field above | the quoted text. I have never given much thought to top- or bottom-posting, | but simply type my reply into the space provided by the programmers of the | software.
Most serious users prefer bottom posting, as you're doing here. It lets the conversation read like a conversation, and lets you include just the relevant context before replies. Top posting both presents reply text without context, and encourages users to not trim the quotes material at all, which aside from making a lot of bloat also makes it much harder for the reader of the message to determine exactly what issues you're addressing.
[...] | > with. I'm sure if you say what you want from a service (webmail or not, | > IMAP, POP3, masses of storage, your own domain name, etc.), you'll get | > some suggestions of what to try. | Google's not imap, is it? Which is a free (in both senses, even) imap mail to | try?
Google offers POP but not IMAP. You can set it to offer POP and keep the messages in GMail as well. Then you can set KMail to suck messages from your GMail account just as for your telus account, and reply using your "published" address (whatever you end up deciding to use - probably not your ISP, since that may change).
| The nice thing about using my provider's email is that I just click 'check | mail in' and all of the mail comes, and they have web access, too. | Unfortunately, it is pop and not imap.
POP's ok for me. I keep all my mail folders at home.
Cheers,
On February 1, 2007, Cameron Simpson wrote:
You can set it to offer POP and keep the messages in GMail as well. Then you can set KMail to suck messages from your GMail account just as for your telus account, and reply using your "published" address (whatever you end up deciding to use - probably not your ISP, since that may change).
I have never used the pop forwarding (whatever it's called) that gmail, yahoo and msn offer.
Is there a risk that I could get a lot of spam into my provider account if I tell them my email address?
I don't want google to know about my provider, because I suspect that by telling them too much, they will be able to determine my true identity (likely they know it anyway). Same goes for msn (especially) and yahoo, too.
I feel that if one makes the connections between 'identities' and email addresses and services one uses online clear, then companies can put the pieces together easily and figure out who you really are.
That's why I refuse to use google toolbar and yahoo toolbar and don't like to have them remember my search terms, etc.
I am not involved in viewing or participating in anything immoral, whether legal or not, but I don't feel that it is any of their business what I am interested in.
I wear Levi's, but levis doesn't know what book I am reading, which operating system I use, what music I listen to, and that I think aishwarja rai is sexy and that I want the colts to win the match on Sunday.
On 01Feb2007 20:05, kuiskers kuiskers@telus.net wrote: | On February 1, 2007, Cameron Simpson wrote: | > You can set it to offer POP and keep the | > messages in GMail as well. Then you can set KMail to suck messages from | > your GMail account just as for your telus account, and reply using your | > "published" address (whatever you end up deciding to use - probably not | > your ISP, since that may change). | | I have never used the pop forwarding (whatever it's called) that gmail, yahoo | and msn offer. | Is there a risk that I could get a lot of spam into my provider account if I | tell them my email address?
You don't forward to your provider. You pull directly to your home linux box's mail spool using getmail or fetchmail, or directly to your KMail by setting up entries for the various POP services you'll have (hotmail, whatever).
| I don't want google to know about my provider, because I suspect that by | telling them too much, they will be able to determine my true identity
Indeed. You don't forward from hotmail/etc, you _pull_ directly from hotmail from your home machine.
Cheers,
On February 1, 2007, Cameron Simpson wrote:
You don't forward to your provider. You pull directly to your home linux box's mail spool using getmail or fetchmail, or directly to your KMail by setting up entries for the various POP services you'll have (hotmail, whatever).
Hey, I never thought of that :-) That saves a lot of time, instead of going to all of those web sites (well, 3 sites: gmail, yahoo and msn).
I think I will try getting the mail from within kmail. I am not sure if I am up to setting up fetchmail or getmail.
What do you think? Is this the best way to go, or should I learn those programs?
On 01Feb2007 21:09, kwhiskerz{ kuiskers@telus.net wrote: | On February 1, 2007, Cameron Simpson wrote: | > You don't forward to your provider. You pull directly to your home linux | > box's mail spool using getmail or fetchmail, or directly to your KMail by | > setting up entries for the various POP services you'll have (hotmail, | > whatever). | > | Hey, I never thought of that :-) That saves a lot of time, instead of going | to all of those web sites (well, 3 sites: gmail, yahoo and msn). | | I think I will try getting the mail from within kmail. I am not sure if I am | up to setting up fetchmail or getmail. | | What do you think? Is this the best way to go, or should I learn those | programs?
Start with KMail. There's no point, and some pain, in using fetchmail or getmail and you'd still then have to tell KMail to get the mail from where those programs put it. I use getmail to collect email and procmail to file it - mutt doesn't have mail filters and doesn't want them. So mutt users filter on fetch using other tools. KMail should keep you happy for a while until you want something weird from your filters that it doesn't support.
Cheers,
In article 200702012109.26128.kuiskers@telus.net, kwhiskerz{ kuiskers@telus.net wrote:
On February 1, 2007, Cameron Simpson wrote:
You don't forward to your provider. You pull directly to your home linux box's mail spool using getmail or fetchmail, or directly to your KMail by setting up entries for the various POP services you'll have (hotmail, whatever).
Hey, I never thought of that :-) That saves a lot of time, instead of going to all of those web sites (well, 3 sites: gmail, yahoo and msn).
I think I will try getting the mail from within kmail. I am not sure if I am up to setting up fetchmail or getmail.
What do you think? Is this the best way to go, or should I learn those programs?
The other option is to use Thunderbird and the webmail extension. This allows you to fetch email from different webmail services such as hotmail and yahoo, you can also send emails with hotmail too. Googlemail or Gmail can be set up to allow POP3 access which also can be used with Thunderbird.
On February 1, 2007, Mark Fraser wrote:
The other option is to use Thunderbird and the webmail extension. This allows you to fetch email from different webmail services such as hotmail and yahoo, you can also send emails with hotmail too. Googlemail or Gmail can be set up to allow POP3 access which also can be used with Thunderbird.
That sounds nifty. I might give it a try sometime.
At the moment, I don't have Thunderbird. I wanted to try to stick with, um, er... how should I say, well, Linux programs, kind of. I do use firefox about 80%, but konqueror only maybe 20% for surfing (some sites won't work with it), but I use kmail for everything.
I may be wrong, but somehow thunderbird seems like it comes from windows and people who navigate to linux want those old familiar programs. I've been more or less exclusively linux for about 10 years. Whenever i hear those questions about what programs are parallel to X in linux, it makes me think of this.
It's kind of a reason why I prefer fedora to other distros, too. The philosophy about 100% open source and free. Of course I have to use those codecs from mplayer.hu, otherwise fedora would be pretty useless, except for browsing the web and writing letters and emails, but I like the stand, because this forces people, companies... to think about their audience. I should not have to buy a certain product or brand (microsoft) in order to partake in the experience of the internet, or to use products and services of yet other companies.
It used to peeve me, but in the last couple of years, I have developed a sense of freedom and pride, perhaps, even, that I don't need their programs. I don't even need realplayer anymore, I noticed since fedora 6, since mplayerplug-in is now so reliable that it does just about everything. The fewer such programs I need, the more successful the linuxification process is. It is amazing how far things have come since redhat 5, when I began. In those days, linux was something to do after midnight when i was staying up late tinkering and wasting time. Now, i boot up XP once a month, just to load the recent updates and that's it! I don't need it for anything at all. I wonder why I even do that, but I think that I paid nearly $200 for it a couple of years ago... Usually when I am curious about something I don't want to wreck my linux system on, I will install the crap on windows just to have a look. You know, like sport illustrated's screensaver, for example...
Now, I really couldn't do email with mutt. I used pine in university in the early 80s. I like html. Nice to have a choice of font, some colour for accent, perhaps an embedded picture. Modern typesetting features like one expects from refined communication from people who have learnt how to use their machines and are past the elementary learning stage.
Anyway, not intending to put down thunderbird. after all, i do use it's brother, firefox as a mainstay.
On February 1, 2007, Mark Fraser wrote:
The other option is to use Thunderbird and the webmail extension. This allows you to fetch email from different webmail services such as hotmail and yahoo, you can also send emails with hotmail too. Googlemail or Gmail can be set up to allow POP3 access which also can be used with Thunderbird.
well, you got me curious. I'm installing thunderbird. :-) kmail can't get hotmail becasue you have to pay for pop for hotmail, so this could be useful. Is there a way to get thunderbird to sent the mail to kmail? Or is this where fretchmail comes in?
In article 200702020030.42259.kuiskers@telus.net, kwhiskers{ kuiskers@telus.net wrote:
On February 1, 2007, Mark Fraser wrote:
The other option is to use Thunderbird and the webmail extension. This allows you to fetch email from different webmail services such as hotmail and yahoo, you can also send emails with hotmail too. Googlemail or Gmail can be set up to allow POP3 access which also can be used with Thunderbird.
well, you got me curious. I'm installing thunderbird. :-) kmail can't get hotmail becasue you have to pay for pop for hotmail, so this could be useful. Is there a way to get thunderbird to sent the mail to kmail? Or is this where fretchmail comes in?
I have actually just managed to get download mail from hotmail with kmail. If you do a Google search for kmail hotmail you should find some useful information.
On February 2, 2007, Mark Fraser wrote:
I have actually just managed to get download mail from hotmail with kmail. If you do a Google search for kmail hotmail you should find some useful information.
Thanks for the tip. I shall try to locate it.
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 19:39 -0700, kuiskers wrote:
I've decided to use my favourite email program, kmail, which I use always. I only use those online email sites for chatting on forums and lists, as I am wary about contaminating my provider account with spam. I had to create an email alias with my provider - yes, another identity! alas! - but at least I don't have to go to a web site to write, which is easier.
You're using Linux, you can use your own machine to handle all the different accounts. You can use fetchmail to pull in mail from several addresses, and drop it all into you local mailbox. You can subscribe to things using some webmail service, but you don't have to use it for your replies. You can just enter the address details for it into your mail client.
I've noticed that when I hit reply with kmail, a field opens below the quoted text, while reply in hotmail (and gmail, I think) opens the reply field above the quoted text. I have never given much thought to top- or bottom-posting, but simply type my reply into the space provided by the programmers of the software.
You don't have to type where the cursor lands. When I write a reply, the first thing I do is usually to start removing things that don't need quoting. So cursor positioning is generally unimportant.
The norm on this list is "interspersed" replies (you write directly below what you're responding, throughout the e-mail, as I'm dong). Bottom-posting, as Cameron called it, is something different again. Quoting everything in one lump, then replying below the lot of it. Which is just about as bad as top posting. Particularly if you quote everything, even if you didn't need to do so.
Tim:
I can understand that, but you've picked the spawn of the devil to work with. I'm sure if you say what you want from a service (webmail or not, IMAP, POP3, masses of storage, your own domain name, etc.), you'll get some suggestions of what to try.
Google's not imap, is it?
Correct, Google does not use IMAP (being careful not to write a confusing double negative answer). Google gives you webmail, and also POP3.
The nice thing about using my provider's email is that I just click 'check mail in' and all of the mail comes, and they have web access, too. Unfortunately, it is pop and not imap.
If you want IMAP, there's http://www.fastmail.fm/, which gives you a simple/small free IMAP service, or extended features if you pay (differing amounts, it depends on what you want out of them). They seem fairly good (I've been using them for the last few years), and they can also extract your mail from Hotmail to that account.
If you don't mind paying, you can register your own domain name, find a modestly priced mail host, and handle your mail however you like (create addresses as you desire, use the one address for everything, or whatever you want to do).
On 02Feb2007 14:08, Tim ignored_mailbox@yahoo.com.au wrote: | On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 19:39 -0700, kuiskers wrote: | You don't have to type where the cursor lands. When I write a reply, | the first thing I do is usually to start removing things that don't need | quoting. So cursor positioning is generally unimportant. | | The norm on this list is "interspersed" replies (you write directly | below what you're responding, throughout the e-mail, as I'm dong). | Bottom-posting, as Cameron called it, is something different again.
Only in the minimal form. I go for interspersed as well, but I call it bottom posting because at least it conveys the interspersal order:-( Editing the quoted stuff for relevance is such a basic level of courtesy that it should got without saying. However I know from bitter daily experience that this is not so for others.
Cheers,
On February 1, 2007, Tim wrote:
On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 19:39 -0700, kuiskers wrote:
I've decided to use my favourite email program, kmail, which I use always. I only use those online email sites for chatting on forums and lists, as I am wary about contaminating my provider account with spam. I had to create an email alias with my provider - yes, another identity! alas! - but at least I don't have to go to a web site to write, which is easier.
You're using Linux, you can use your own machine to handle all the different accounts. You can use fetchmail to pull in mail from several addresses, and drop it all into you local mailbox. You can subscribe to things using some webmail service, but you don't have to use it for your replies. You can just enter the address details for it into your mail client.
Hey, I never thought of that! It is fantastic. I just checked and yahoo has pop. I think gmail does, too. Apparently, hotmail only offers it if you pay, that's what the help says.
Is there another way to access hotmail to get it to your own computer?
-- kwhiskerz{
Tim:
You're using Linux, you can use your own machine to handle all the different accounts.
kwhiskerz{:
Hey, I never thought of that! It is fantastic. I just checked and yahoo has pop. I think gmail does, too. Apparently, hotmail only offers it if you pay, that's what the help says.
Depending on what country you're in, you'd have to pay for Yahoo, too. In Australia, we can get it for free. I don't know if you can use another country's POP3 server for Yahoo go get around that.
Is there another way to access hotmail to get it to your own computer?
There are some proxies for doing so, but I've never tried it myself. I suppose you'll have to Google for hotmail proxy, or other similar keywords.
If you just have a hotmail account for MSN messenger, you can ignore the mail side of things. I use it for that reason, ignoring its mail.