Hi List; I finally got my wireless working Thank you list. That is under kernel 2.6.23.9-85.fc8. When I did a 'yum upgrade' I got 2.6.23.14-107.fc8. If I boot into this I lose my wireless connection. I use network manager. When I click the icon it sees the newtwork. The bullet is checked and the router name 'Fedora' highlighted. So it can see the name of the wireless router. It asks me for the keyring password. Then the network icon spins. Pops up 'Fauled' will not let me connect. I tell it wep 128 hex and it fails. When I reboot and change kernel I enter the keyring passsword and ir just connects. I don't know what would be different from kernel to kernel except the modules. I did an 'lsmod> file.txt' when working and when failed. WORKINGModule Size Used by xt_limit 6337 8 iptable_mangle 6337 0 ipt_LOG 9281 8 ipt_MASQUERADE 6721 0 nf_nat 18669 1 ipt_MASQUERADE ipt_TOS 5953 0 ipt_REJECT 7617 1 nf_conntrack_irc 9177 0 nf_conntrack_ftp 10977 0 nf_conntrack_ipv4 11717 7 iptable_filter 6465 1 ip_tables 14213 2 iptable_mangle,iptable_filter autofs4 20421 2 driverloader 360272 0 nf_conntrack_ipv6 18769 1 xt_state 6081 7 nf_conntrack 51849 7 ipt_MASQUERADE,nf_nat,nf_conntrack_irc,nf_conntrack_ftp,nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack_ipv6,xt_state nfnetlink 8281 4 nf_nat,nf_conntrack_ipv4,nf_conntrack_ipv6,nf_conntrack xt_tcpudp 6977 13 ip6t_ipv6header 6209 2 ip6t_REJECT 8257 2 ip6table_filter 6337 1 ip6_tables 15109 2 ip6t_ipv6header,ip6table_filter x_tables 14277 11 xt_limit,ipt_LOG,ipt_MASQUERADE,ipt_TOS,ipt_REJECT,ip_tables,xt_state,xt_tcpudp,ip6t_ipv6header,ip6t_REJECT,ip6_tables fuse 38485 2 dm_mirror 21697 0 dm_multipath 18249 0 dm_mod 46465 2 dm_mirror,dm_multipath radeon 114273 2 drm 67029 3 radeon ipv6 245989 10 nf_conntrack_ipv6,ip6t_REJECT bt878 12665 0 arc4 5953 2 ecb 6721 2 blkcipher 9029 1 ecb tuner 60521 0 snd_intel8x0 30429 4 rt61pci 24641 0 rt2x00pci 11201 1 rt61pci rt2x00lib 20929 2 rt61pci,rt2x00pci msp3400 30433 0 snd_ac97_codec 92389 1 snd_intel8x0 ac97_bus 6081 1 snd_ac97_codec rfkill 9297 1 rt2x00lib input_polldev 7369 1 rt2x00lib bttv 159797 1 bt878 snd_seq_dummy 6725 0 video_buf 22469 1 bttv mac80211 115789 2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib ir_common 33477 1 bttv firewire_ohci 18497 0 compat_ioctl32 5313 1 bttv i2c_algo_bit 9157 1 bttv firewire_core 36097 1 firewire_ohci btcx_risc 7881 1 bttv tveeprom 17617 1 bttv videodev 28097 1 bttv snd_seq_oss 29889 0 cfg80211 10953 1 mac80211 crc_itu_t 6081 2 rt2x00lib,firewire_core r8169 27589 0 eeprom_93cx6 6081 1 rt61pci v4l2_common 18625 4 tuner,msp3400,bttv,videodev v4l1_compat 15941 2 bttv,videodev parport_pc 26981 0 ns558 8001 0 snd_seq_midi_event 9793 1 snd_seq_oss parport 32393 1 parport_pc snd_seq 44849 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event gameport 14665 2 ns558 snd_seq_device 10061 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq snd_pcm_oss 37569 0 pcspkr 6593 0 snd_mixer_oss 16705 2 snd_pcm_oss floppy 53125 0 snd_pcm 63685 3 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 20549 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 43461 15 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 9633 2 snd snd_page_alloc 11337 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm button 10448 0 i2c_nforce2 9281 0 i2c_core 21825 6 tuner,msp3400,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,i2c_nforce2 sr_mod 17509 0 sg 31965 0 cdrom 33889 1 sr_mod pata_amd 13381 4 ata_generic 8901 0 libata 100145 2 pata_amd,ata_generic sd_mod 27329 6 scsi_mod 119757 4 sr_mod,sg,libata,sd_mod ext3 110665 2 jbd 52457 1 ext3 mbcache 10177 1 ext3 uhci_hcd 23633 0 ohci_hcd 21445 0 ehci_hcd 31821 0 and here is FAILED compat_ioctl32 5313 1 bttv mac80211 125265 2 rt2x00pci,rt2x00lib i2c_algo_bit 9157 1 bttv snd_seq_midi_event 9793 1 snd_seq_oss btcx_risc 7881 1 bttv snd_seq 44849 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event ns558 8001 0 tveeprom 17617 1 bttv parport_pc 26981 0 firewire_ohci 19137 0 cfg80211 19785 1 mac80211 parport 32393 1 parport_pc firewire_core 36481 1 firewire_ohci gameport 14665 2 ns558 videodev 28097 1 bttv snd_seq_device 10061 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq floppy 53125 0 eeprom_93cx6 6081 1 rt61pci crc_itu_t 6081 2 rt2x00lib,firewire_core v4l2_common 18625 4 tuner,msp3400,bttv,videodev snd_pcm_oss 37569 0 r8169 27589 0 pcspkr 6592 0 v4l1_compat 15941 2 bttv,videodev snd_mixer_oss 16705 2 snd_pcm_oss snd_pcm 63685 4 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm_oss snd_timer 20549 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm snd 43461 16 snd_intel8x0,snd_ac97_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 9633 2 snd button 10449 0 snd_page_alloc 11337 2 snd_intel8x0,snd_pcm i2c_nforce2 9281 0 i2c_core 21825 6 tuner,msp3400,bttv,i2c_algo_bit,tveeprom,i2c_nforce2 sg 31965 0 sr_mod 17509 0 cdrom 33889 1 sr_mod pata_amd 13381 4 ata_generic 8901 0 libata 99633 2 pata_amd,ata_generic sd_mod 27329 6 scsi_mod 120013 4 sg,sr_mod,libata,sd_mod ext3 110665 2 jbd 52457 1 ext3 mbcache 10177 1 ext3 uhci_hcd 23633 0 ohci_hcd 21445 0 ehci_hcd 31821 0 any ideas? 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