On Jan 31, 2008 1:39 AM, Les Mikesell <lesmikesell(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>>> Got any examples of that?
>> Since this is Karl's thread, his problems with Nvidia and sound should
>> be famous by now and apply to any kernel modules.
>
> I don't receive Karl mail, sorry
>
>> But every fedora
>> version has required new patches to VMware that you have to track down,
>
> Wasn't aware of this. And you're saying that this is intentional by
> the Fedora dev team?
Changes don't just happen by accident - someone has to make them.
But you are implying that this is intentional. I think that's
something you should at least backup if you're going to say it.
>> firewire has had about 50/50 odds of working, anything that
knew device
>> names would break from one version to the next,
>
> While some Fedora devs may be kernel hackers, I doubt they are to
> blame for firewire support.
Some issues were with the kernel, some with the layering of device
detection when the connection is made or at boot time. Regardless,
fedora doesn't have to ship a broken kernel just because it exists.
Well if the vanilla kernel has this problem, blaming Fedora seems
unreasonable. The general policy is to ship the kernel as vanilla as
possible.
>> CIPE hasn't worked since
>
> Are you referring to this CIPE?
>
http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Cipe+Masq.html I wasn't familiar
> with the term.
Yes, once it was a fill-in-the-form VPN in the networking setup. Next
version it was gone with no options to support existing setups.
I guess no one was interested in supporting it. I haven't heard of it
before myself.
>> FC1... What other OS forces you to go though these
contortions
>> continuously just to continue getting security fixes for the bugs it ships?
>
> You lost me there. I don't see how this fits with the rest of your
> post. where are getting security fixes (udpates) being related to
> using software that isn't build for Fedora on Fedora?
I don't mind doing a substantial amount of work to install things that
weren't planned, but then I'd like it to keep working. You can't just
keep running fedora without putting your box (and everything else on the
network) at risk when the security updates stop. And then there is
almost no chance that you can just repeat your steps with the next
version since it will have a huge number of arbitrary changes, including
things that affect hardware compatibility.
I guess your choice of software has a lot of incompatibilities
inherent in it. I am normally up and running on a new Fedora install
for my desktop pretty quickly. I normally spend way more time
customizing the look and feel of my KDE install to my perfection.
It seems that your combination of unsupported software is making
things a lot tougher for you. However, I see no evidence that this is
intentional on the Fedora teams part. Nor do I see how it would
benefit them from exhausting energy into blocking things.
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