6:52 a.m.
Hi,
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a
F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to
spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the
very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull
ones), and opens only one window. Is there any reason to stay with
spatial mode, while almost anyone complains about it?
Thanks,
Martin
PS: I know, that I can change it very fast, but shouldn't the default be
the more effective one?
References:
[1]
http://blogbeebe.blogspot.com/2007/09/fedora-8-test-2-nano-review.html
7:18 a.m.
Martin Sourada wrote:
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a
F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to
spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the
very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull
ones), and opens only one window. Is there any reason to stay with
spatial mode, while almost anyone complains about it?
I believe the main reason is spatial is the default in upstream GNOME.
You know, what *you* or *I* consider more effective is not extremely
relevant, as we are so-called "power users", net necessarily
representative (with that said, I am quite ambivalent for Spatial or
Browser, maybe with a slight preference for Spatial, where the tree view
does not waste space when not needed)
Changing the default from Spatial to Browser could also generate the
backslash of people ranting on their blogs about Browser not being the
best choice, blog complaints are not an useful metric.
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12:11 p.m.
Nicu Buculei escribió:
Martin Sourada wrote:
>
> I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a
> F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to
> spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the
> very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull
> ones), and opens only one window. Is there any reason to stay with
> spatial mode, while almost anyone complains about it?
I believe the main reason is spatial is the default in upstream GNOME.
You know, what *you* or *I* consider more effective is not extremely
relevant, as we are so-called "power users", net necessarily
representative (with that said, I am quite ambivalent for Spatial or
Browser, maybe with a slight preference for Spatial, where the tree
view does not waste space when not needed)
On the contrary, less technically inclined people are the ones more
vocal about the spatial mode in Nautilus. I would have to agree with
them, it is plain dumb. Pretty much all the users and new users have
been conditioned to browser mode file management simply due to a Windows
background. Power users, on the other hand, may find spatial mode more
useful, apparently.
Changing the default from Spatial to Browser could also generate the
backslash of people ranting on their blogs about Browser not being the
best choice, blog complaints are not an useful metric.
If that were the case, why doesn't people complaint about Konqueror
being "browser mode - only"? I too believe that the default should be
made the mode which is actually *easier* to use and not the more
"convenient" to use, as apparently only "Power Users" like and use
spatial mode (I still have to find someone who likes it in the first
place). From a user perspective, it would seem that regular users and
inexperienced users are the ones pleading for browser mode.
1:11 a.m.
Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
Nicu Buculei escribió:
>
> Changing the default from Spatial to Browser could also generate the
> backslash of people ranting on their blogs about Browser not being the
> best choice, blog complaints are not an useful metric.
If that were the case, why doesn't people complaint about Konqueror
being "browser mode - only"? I too believe that the default should be
Probably because Konqueror was always browser only?
made the mode which is actually *easier* to use and not the more
"convenient" to use, as apparently only "Power Users" like and use
This may be because effective use of our spatial mode require unusual
shortcuts (double-click with the wheel), which only "power users" bother
to remember.
spatial mode (I still have to find someone who likes it in the first
place). From a user perspective, it would seem that regular users and
inexperienced users are the ones pleading for browser mode.
I won't argue either way, I don't have the means to conduct such
experiment but someone else in this thread (Brian) argued for the
opposite, so I believe you found at least one :p
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7:44 a.m.
On 9/18/07, Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora(a)nicubunu.ro> wrote:
Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote:
> Nicu Buculei escribió:
>>
>> Changing the default from Spatial to Browser could also generate the
>> backslash of people ranting on their blogs about Browser not being the
>> best choice, blog complaints are not an useful metric.
>
> If that were the case, why doesn't people complaint about Konqueror
> being "browser mode - only"? I too believe that the default should be
Probably because Konqueror was always browser only?
> made the mode which is actually *easier* to use and not the more
> "convenient" to use, as apparently only "Power Users" like and
use
This may be because effective use of our spatial mode require unusual
shortcuts (double-click with the wheel), which only "power users" bother
to remember.
I have been thinking of adding an open to nautilus that allows
changing the button behavior. left clicking opening a window and
closing a parent and using middle-click to keep them open. Personally
I love spatial mode, but I still wish I had that behavior.
> spatial mode (I still have to find someone who likes it in the
first
> place). From a user perspective, it would seem that regular users and
> inexperienced users are the ones pleading for browser mode.
I think you are really referring to Windows comfortable users here.
Most the inexperienced users I have put in front of gnome really find
spatial intuitive. My fiance has all her different photo/movie/music
windows opening on her screen just so. Now if only there was a better
way to organize her desktop :-)
I won't argue either way, I don't have the means to conduct such
experiment but someone else in this thread (Brian) argued for the
opposite, so I believe you found at least one :p
Personally I think the gnome community has gone through the change
once, and we should stick with it.
Jon
10 a.m.
On 2007-09-18, 12:44 GMT, Jon Nettleton wrote:
> > If that were the case, why doesn't people complaint
about
> > Konqueror
> > being "browser mode - only"? I too believe that the default should be
One of the few reasons why I was glad to switch to Gnome was
because konqueror doesn't have spatial mode, but I was too lazy
to blog about it (well, I am too lazy to blog at all). Your data
are not good enough for any serious conclusion.
Matej
9:31 a.m.
On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 13:52 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to
a
F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to
spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the
very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull
ones), and opens only one window. Is there any reason to stay with
spatial mode, while almost anyone complains about it?
1. It's the nautilus default. If you want it changed, it should be done
upstream.
2. Plenty of people like it.
Later,
/B
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Martin Sourada wrote:
Hi,
I know this was discussed hundred times already, but I again ran to a
F8T2 review [1] which mentions this. Why is the nautilus defaulted to
spatial mode? IMHO, the browser mode is much more effective, has the
very useful sidepanel (treeview and bookmarks are the most usefull
ones), and opens only one window.
+1 for that.
I got my mom to use fedora, and now she enjoys the browser-mode better,
/especially/ the bookmarks mode.
Given that Fedora does create a helpful directory structure, like
Documents, Music, Pictures, etc.,[1], I think we should try and promote
the browser mode.
Now, if people think that it is an extremely bad idea, then how about
providing a simple wizard, which will provide options like:
1. Customize your desktop - like wallpapers / themes / colors -- may be
also provide an option for downloading new items.
2. Customize the way your applications behave - like setting your
preferred applications, etc.
3. And some other things under the sun :-)
Just my views.
later,
Rogue
[1] - I know there are a lot of people who do not like it, but from a
desktop perspective for most users in my family who are not very
tech-savvy, it works great. Well, they are all 50+ years old :-) And I
definitely do not wish to star a flame war right now =)
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1:24 a.m.
Rogue wrote:
I got my mom to use fedora, and now she enjoys the browser-mode better,
/especially/ the bookmarks mode.
Is any possibility she like the browser mode because she learned how to
use it from you?
I can understand people liking the browser mode for the tree view or for
the history view, but bookmarks are very convenient also in spatial
using the Places menu.
Given that Fedora does create a helpful directory structure, like
Documents, Music, Pictures, etc.,[1], I think we should try and promote
the browser mode.
After this talk I looked a little at the browser mode: I tend to like it
the best with the sidebar and toolbar off, it looks much like spatial
but have inversed shortcuts and the useful location bar (instead of the
location drop-down).
Now, if people think that it is an extremely bad idea, then how
about
providing a simple wizard, which will provide options like:
Like a second first boot screen?
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3:47 p.m.
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Nicu Buculei wrote:
Rogue wrote:
>
> I got my mom to use fedora, and now she enjoys the browser-mode better,
> /especially/ the bookmarks mode.
Is any possibility she like the browser mode because she learned how to
use it from you?
Possible. =D
> Given that Fedora does create a helpful directory structure,
like
> Documents, Music, Pictures, etc.,[1], I think we should try and promote
> the browser mode.
After this talk I looked a little at the browser mode: I tend to like it
the best with the sidebar and toolbar off, it looks much like spatial
but have inversed shortcuts and the useful location bar (instead of the
location drop-down).
Shall try that out too.
> Now, if people think that it is an extremely bad idea, then how about
> providing a simple wizard, which will provide options like:
Like a second first boot screen?
It would be a second boot screen after the first install, but for a new
user account that is created, like say in a multi-user environment, it
might make sense... don't you think?
later,
Rogue
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