On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 15:01 -0500, xiphmont(a)xiph.org wrote:
> My gods. Do not pass start. Do not collect $200. Hint, see
>
>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230006
>
> and come back when you understand the implications. Thanks.
You're asking the world to upgrade to benefit your pet project or be
^^^
How nice.
left behind. The chances of that working out are not high.
No, we're just fixing past design mistakes to make the Linux desktop be
true multi-user (again). In some circles it's called progress; looking
forward and doing new exciting things. If such things happen to be
useful, hey, more power to the Linux desktop.
> It's because I live in this century and don't use OSS
myself.
And yet you feel justified to dismiss it. I don't use the desktop
much myself, so it must be unimportant.
I'm not dismissing OSS; there are, at least two mechanisms to support
it; let me repeat
- LD_PRELOAD (widely used by LTSP)
- emulation devices
Let me repeat again: both are ugly as hell because OSS is ugly as hell.
Whether we as a distro want to keep compat for these around in the
*default* install is a separate issue and up to the Fedora project at
large. I don't really care and I'm sure people who have a better idea of
our user base does. It could go in a compat-oss package for all I care.
For the record we have other compat* packages that you need to use
antiquated interfaces.
Replace OSS with ALSA; the point still stands and perhaps you can
identify more with it.
No, it's fine, apps use libasound and there's a plug-in for Pulse.
Say 'ESD' in a room full of Linux users five years ago, and
the first
thing anyone thought was 'Oh, it's that thing I have to kill so all my
sounds apps will work again'. If we repeat that mistake with PA, PA
will also become reviled.
I don't understand this. OSS compat is possible through two mechanisms
already. Plus I have a lot of faith in the PA developers not to screw
up.
> Of course, we wouldn't enable such things by default because
we don't
> have OSS apps in the default install. Perhaps enterprise distros that
> care about old crap would.
Fine. Do we ship any ALSA apps? I think we might.
No, it's fine, apps use libasound and there's a plug-in for Pulse.
David