On Tue, 2014-09-09 at 18:32 +0300, Elad Alfassa wrote:
I completely disagree with that. We do a lot of integration work,
and
the default set did change a lot, for example the firewall allowing
incoming connections to high ports out of the box and there's much
less useless stuff installed by default.
Less useless stuff installed by default? I can't think of anything major
that's been dropped besides firewall-config? In fact we seem to have
picked up openjdk8 policy editor; that's got to go.
I know we've ADDED a few apps that were not in F20, like Image Viewer
and Boxes, but I'm having a hard time thinking of what's been removed?
Anyway, F20 shipped with mostly core GNOME apps, F21 will ship with
mostly core GNOME apps... there hasn't been any revolution here.
We also install git by
default, for example, which we didn't do before.
Overall Fedora 21 comes almost ready for developers to use out of the
box.
OK, git is new. devassistant is new. I think we have man-pages now as
well? If so, that's great.
What you're saying effectively tries to diminish all the hard
work
we've done this cycle, and I don't like this at all.
Well I'm not saying I don't like the changes. I think you're doing a
good job with the default package set. I just think "much more polished
and targeted product than what you seen before from the Fedora
community" is a big exaggeration. (But that's how marketing's supposed
to work, right?) F20 was pretty good, too; the firewall and
gnome-software were the big warts, and those would have been fixed
regardless of whether we call this release Fedora Desktop or Fedora
Workstation.
Michael