Sundeep Anand píše v St 30. 03. 2022 v 13:20 +0530:
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2022 at 12:39 AM peartown
> <hrusjos(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Jean-Baptiste píše v Po 28. 03. 2022 v 21:12 +0200:
> > > Hello team & Sundeep,
> > >
> > > do we have a place where we discussed the opportunity
> > > of
> > > using transtats
> > > to commit new translations in weblate?
> > >
> > I'm not aware of such discussion.
> > >
> > > I'm confused by this account:
> > > https://translate.fedoraproject.org/user/transtats/#audit
> > >
> > > which
> > > translated many different languages.
> > >
> > > It previously were Sundeep's account (a known and
> > > appreciated community
> > > member), while it were renamed as transtats on March
> > > 2nd
> > > 2022.
> > >
> > Isn't it a decision of Sundeep? It seems you can change
> > a
> > user name in Weblate if you want. (I didn't try it
> > myself,
> > but the user name field looks editable in the settings.)
> >
> > >
> > > This raises questions:
> > >
> > > * What's the policy for a username renaming in Fedora?
> > > How
> > > does infra
> > > team handle this?
> >
> > Because of openness, I don't think there is any type of
> > gate-keeping within Fedora. If someone decided to change
> > a
> > name, he/she can do it. Just for some food for thoughts,
> > try
> > to look at a (perhaps somewhat related) recent Council's
> > discussion[1].
> >
> > >
> > > * how are these translation done? Can transtats
> > > suggest
> > > translation? How
> > > confident are we with translation quality?
> > I can't answer this.
> >
> >
>
>
> thank you Jean-Baptiste and Josef,
> to avoid confusion - RHEL translations are pushed to
> weblate from the RH internal instance by Transtats.
>
> > >
> > > I'm looking forward to see how transtats could help
> > > us!
> > >
> > > Jean-Baptiste
> > >
> > >
> > > For those who may not know, transtats is
> > > https://transtats.fedoraproject.org, a detailed
> > > translation tracking of
> > > 100 fedora packages.
> >
> > Josef
> >
> > [1]
> > https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-council-tickets-ticket-393-ne…
> >
Hi, again,
today chat at Fedora Infra matrix room[1] about creating
bots brought me back to this topic. Should we apply the same
or similar policy[2] regarding Weblate if a user account
exist in Weblate 'just' to provide 'an automatic
process(es)'?
I think the transtats account would then qualify as such.
Josef
[1] https://matrix.to/#/!JMiyDwIilrGoiSmkqy:matrix.org/$bMvYM9x9yYHI3w4lrqfWqEQ…
[2] https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/Package_maintainer_responsibilit…
On Sat, Jun 17, 2023 at 11:35 AM Dave Crossland <dave(a)lab6.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Jun 12, 2023, 4:51 PM pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com <pravin.d.s(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 at 02:39, Dave Crossland <dave(a)lab6.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm the Noto product owner at Google Fonts, I expect the wider range of
>>> styles available by itself would make Noto fonts a better choice :) I would
>>> be happy to hear any aspects of Lohit that are superior
>>>
>>
>> Lohit follows an open source development methodology. One can provide a
>> patch to the sfd file. We are building from source in Fedora.
>> AFAIK Noto is only available in binary format. (TTF).
>>
>> But given its already used for many languages, we can definitely go ahead
>> for India fonts as well.
>> What i suggest:
>> 1. Lets Noto get installed by default.
>> 2. Lets have Lohit fontconfig priority more than Noto, so if someone
>> installing it manually, it will become default for particular Indian
>> languages.
>>
>
> I love it!
>
>>
Thank you everyone for the feedback so far.
Since the feedback so far seems generally positive, I started drafting
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Indic_Noto_fonts proposal for Fedora
39.
Have given the relative fonts priorities some thought... while in theory I
am sympathetic to the novel priority suggestion, it is probably not
realistic in practice: we have never done default fonts changes that way
before in Fedora so I think it would set a bad precedent, but I think we
should make sure that if one uninstalls the Noto Indic fonts, the Lohit
fonts should still remain the default - I do think that should be possible.
Thanks, Jens
Hi, we have been thinking about the default fonts for Indic (Indian)
scripts in Fedora.
For many languages in Fedora we are already using Google's open-source Noto
fonts (for most Western languages and also Arabic and CJK (Chinese,
Japanese and Korean) and more, not least Emoji too. Also already for
Gurmukhi (Punjabi) and Sinhala.
$ rpm -qa google-noto-*-fonts | wc -l
26
Noto fonts have the advantage that they are available in different faces
("Sans" and "Serif") and multiple weights (also as Variable Fonts (VF),
which can save a lot of space). They also seem to be generally actively
maintained.
So we would like feedback on how Indian Fedora users feel about using the
Indic Noto fonts compared to Lohit fonts (which we haven't been able to
maintain actively for some time now), given the above advantages.
Sudip Shil has prepared some comparison screenshots using his fonts-compare
tool of Lohit vs Noto: see
https://sshil.fedorapeople.org/lohit-vs-noto-comparison.html
To easily test Noto yourself, Sudip Shil has also prepared a Copr repo
which contains the Lohit fonts rebuilt with lower priority:
https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/sshil/indic-fonts-test which needs
to be enabled:
$ sudo dnf copr enable sshil/indic-fonts-test
Furthermore it is necessary to install the corresponding Noto VF fonts
$ sudo dnf install google-noto-sans-devanagari-vf-fonts
google-noto-sans-bengali-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-gujarati-vf-fonts
google-noto-sans-kannada-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-oriya-vf-fonts
google-noto-sans-tamil-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-telugu-vf-fonts
Then run:
$ sudo dnf update lohit-*-fonts
*Note*: if you are on Fedora Rawhide you currently have to "dnf remove
lohit-*-fonts" instead, since the Indic Noto fonts there have lower
priority currently.
And now you should see Noto as the default for most Indic scripts:
$ for lang in as bho bn brx doi gu hi hne kn kok mai ml mni mr or pa sa sat
ta te; do echo -en "$lang\t" ; fc-match :lang=$lang family; done
You may prefer to try this first in a test VM, or to shut down your
important applications using Indic text first before changing the fonts on
your system.
The instructions on Sudip's Copr repo also include the steps for undoing
these changes.
Do let us know what you think of the Noto fonts compared to Lohit for Indic
scripts.
If they look good we can consider switching those scripts to default to
Noto.
Jens
--
Fedora & Red Hat i18n team
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 at 02:39, Dave Crossland <dave(a)lab6.com> wrote:
> I'm the Noto product owner at Google Fonts, I expect the wider range of
> styles available by itself would make Noto fonts a better choice :) I would
> be happy to hear any aspects of Lohit that are superior
>
Lohit follows an open source development methodology. One can provide a
patch to the sfd file. We are building from source in Fedora.
AFAIK Noto is only available in binary format. (TTF).
But given its already used for many languages, we can definitely go ahead
for India fonts as well.
What i suggest:
1. Lets Noto get installed by default.
2. Lets have Lohit fontconfig priority more than Noto, so if someone
installing it manually, it will become default for particular Indian
languages.
Regards,
Pravin
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Hello
I am mainly concerned with the Odia fonts.
What is the current state of Matra (diacritics) and Juktakhyara
(combination of multiple letters) for Odia in Noto?
I mean how correctly and closely are they rendered compared to how they are
actually handwritten?
Are they better than what Lohit was offering?
Sincerely
proneon267
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023, 02:39 Dave Crossland, <dave(a)lab6.com> wrote:
> I'm the Noto product owner at Google Fonts, I expect the wider range of
> styles available by itself would make Noto fonts a better choice :) I would
> be happy to hear any aspects of Lohit that are superior
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