Hi Tian, I will answer this question. The two new members are Red Hat internal translators and Ding-Yi Chen (the email originator in [1]) is a developer of Zanata. In Zanata, there is a "admin" role exists that can perform any actions. I think one of the admins has granted them the privilege. I agree with you that this behavior is not appropriate and I will make sure to let all the admin know not to perform such action in the future. Meanwhile I will let the two translators know and ask them to follow up the procedure. Sorry about the confusion.

Regards, Patrick On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:11 AM, tiansworld <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:tiansworld@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: Hello everyone, I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the coordinator can make this action. ==== One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve their request are: 1. They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN mailing lists. 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team. The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on Zanata too. ==== I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the coordinator's action? Would they mind to share their procedure to us? In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways: 1. My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege to approve this. 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she manually did it. 4. Aliens did it. So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the 2nd is not the possible way. For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to make sure that my account is safe. For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So please tell us. And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do. ==== This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves to us. This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules. We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules and follow the necessary procedures[2]. By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to explain something[1]. So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. Many thanks. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.o... [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata -- -- Regards, Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:trans@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Patrick Huang Senior Software Engineer Engineering - Internationalisation Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd Level 1, 193 North Quay Brisbane 4000 Office: +61 7 3514 8278 Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 IRC: pahuang github: github.com/huangp <http://github.com/huangp> Website: www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com> -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org

On 2016年08月04日 08:33, Patrick Huang wrote: > Hi Tian, > > I will answer this question. > > The two new members are Red Hat internal translators and Ding-Yi Chen > (the email originator in [1]) is a developer of Zanata. In Zanata, there > is a "admin" role exists that can perform any actions. I think one of > the admins has granted them the privilege. I agree with you that this > behavior is not appropriate and I will make sure to let all the admin > know not to perform such action in the future. Meanwhile I will let the > two translators know and ask them to follow up the procedure. Sorry > about the confusion. Hi Patrick I strictly have asked Zanata team to limit granting 'admin' role only to noriko and Piotr in order to avoid exactly this type problem. Therefore I understand there are only two 'admin's, noriko and Piotr, and we both do NOT grant the priviledge unless we confirm no coordinator or coordinator inactive. I have requested Zanata team to investigate this matter. noriko > > Regards, > Patrick > > On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 12:11 AM, tiansworld > <tiansworld(a)fedoraproject.org <mailto:tiansworld@fedoraproject.org>> wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I found out that two people had been in zh_CN L10n team on Zanata > without the coordinator's action. I thought that only the > coordinator can make this action. > > ==== > One of them was mentioned here[1]. The reason that I didn't approve > their request are: > 1. They didn't make self-introduction on both trans and trans-zh_CN > mailing lists. > 2. I tried to search in both archives for their self-introduction in > case of they might introduces themselves before, but I found nothing. > 3. They didn't reply to me about this, then I decided to wait. > But now he is a translator and reviewer of zh_CN translation team. > > The other of them is more active, I know he is a developer of > Zanata. Neither does he is a member of trans-zh_cn mailing list, nor > does he tried to subscribe the list and made self introduction on > both of the lists, now he is a member of zh_CN translation team on > Zanata too. > > ==== > I am curious how did they succeed to do this without the > coordinator's action? > Would they mind to share their procedure to us? > > In my opinion, this may happens in four possible ways: > 1. My Zanata account is compromised, and someone used my privilege > to approve this. > 2. The Zanata system may have flaws, and someone used it. > 3. A super coordinator/administrator exists in Zanata, and he/she > manually did it. > 4. Aliens did it. > > So dear all team coordinators, please check your team's member list > to see if someone joined in without your approve. If none, then the > 2nd is not the possible way. > > For the 1st possibility, I hope that the zanata team can help me to > check my account activity, login IP addresses, time or what else, to > make sure that my account is safe. > > For the 3rd possibility, the Zanata team must know the answer. So > please tell us. > > And for the 4th possibility, I don't know what to do. > > ==== > This kind of behaviour is unfair to other contributors, cause they > all followed the rules and spent their time to introduce themselves > to us. > This kind of behaviour is breaking the community rules. > > We welcome contributors, but they should obey the community rules > and follow the necessary procedures[2]. > > By the way, the first one I mentioned above is one of the owner of > trans-zh_cn mailing list, so maybe I am wrong, maybe the originals > have some prerogative. But none of them replied to me here to > explain something[1]. > > So I hope you guys can help me to find out what have happened. > Many thanks. > > [1] > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.o... > [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Translate_on_Zanata > > -- > -- > Regards, > > Tian Shixiong > Fedora Project Contributor > > -- > trans mailing list > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:trans@lists.fedoraproject.org> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org > > > > > -- > Patrick Huang > Senior Software Engineer > Engineering - Internationalisation > Red Hat, Asia-Pacific Pty Ltd > Level 1, 193 North Quay > Brisbane 4000 > Office: +61 7 3514 8278 > Fax: +61 7 3514 8199 > IRC: pahuang > github: github.com/huangp <http://github.com/huangp> > Website: www.redhat.com <http://www.redhat.com> > > > -- > trans mailing list > trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org > -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org

Thanks for the every reply from each of you. Seems there are some confusions and misunderstandings between you. I hope you guys can solve it perfectly. On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Alex Eng <aeng(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > > I've updated the list by removing translator and reviewer role from > 'xhuang', however I can't see 'tfu' in the list and assuming he has been > removed. > In fact, the second one I mentioned is you, Alex. I didn't know how you joined in. Now it is clear. I've checked your FAS status, and you have of course signed CLA. So you two guys are just lack of the self-introduction on both of the lists. Hi Ding-Yi Chen, It will be off topic to discuss the feature of Zanata with you under this post, you'd better announce that on a new post and let every one on the list know it and share their opinions with you. I just hope everyone should try their best to obey the community rules. So let it be written, so let it be done. Thanks again for all of you. -- Regards, Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org

On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:02 AM, Alex Eng <loones1595(a)gmail.com <mailto:loones1595@gmail.com>> wrote: Tiansworld, You are the one approved me in the team. Alex ENG Alex, I couldn't remember I approved your request.

Firstly, Zanata will send each request to me through email. I searched in my inbox, I didn't find any zanata email that contains your request. Secondly, since zanata doesn't send confirm email after I approve each request or anyone who joins in through other way, I can't find any clue on this. Thirdly, the coordinator can add people by filling their email addresses or names directly. I know that I've used this feature one or twice, but it was just to add the old members after we moved to Zanata. I didn't know you at that time, and didn't know your email address, your name, so I wouldn't add you in this way. On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Alex Eng <loones1595(a)gmail.com <mailto:loones1595@gmail.com>> wrote: Fyi the mail It was back in 2015 just in case you can't find Thanks for finding your self introduction on trans list to me. As I replied there last year, "Hope you can post a self-introduction there too."[1] But now I still can't find your self introduction mail on trans-zh_cn list, even your email address isn't on the members list. Could you find me your self-introduction mail on trans-zh_cn list too? Please provide the proof(I think you are able to search the user logs or what else.) that can prove it's me who approved your request. BTW, If it's really me who approved your request, it because I did believe that you would introduce yourself soon on zh_cn list, and since I mistakenly blocked your email address at first as I explained under your post[1], I wanted to make some special convenient for you. [1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/trans@lists.fedoraproject.o... -- -- Regards, Tian Shixiong Fedora Project Contributor -- trans mailing list trans(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/trans@lists.fedoraproject.org