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Dimitris Glezos schreef:
(removed -devel-list since this is a -trans-list issue)
O/H Thomas Canniot έγραψε:
> Le dimanche 26 novembre 2006 à 01:21 +1000, Chester Cheng a écrit :
>> Hi Igor,
>>
>> The .pot file hasn't been prepared by the author.
>> It will be released soon and we can make po files then.
> I think there is translation related problems here.
>
> Why hasn't it been made BEFORE FC6 ?
> Why hasn't it be done at the same time than developing desktop-effects ?
> Why translation is always seen as second class interest by developers ?
> Why most translators seem to accept this second class idea ?
> Why bugzilla bug reports must be opened to force a developer to add
> translations ?
>
> Question I don't have any answer for ... yet ?
Thomas,
I agree we need to fix our l10n process. I've spoken to some people and the
presence of the gap is pretty much known. How can we fix it then?
Here are some first ideas:
1. Start by documenting the need for attention to this matter, for
example by
getting some numbers of the non-english users (e.g. fedora-brazil is
HUGE)
2. List irritations the translators have stated in the past. One
example is
releases not having up-to-date translations in packages [1].
3. Start having IRC meetings to discuss things, our progress and get
people to
hang out on the IRC channel more often.
4. Think about electing a Steering committee for the team; check out the
DocsProject voting proposal:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Policy/FDSCoElections
5. Start writing guidelines for developers and slowly try to make
them happen.
A steering committee can help with this by having open communication
channels.
6. Open up a wiki page holding links to common/known problems, a bug
tracker
for translation bugs (is there one?) and start pushing
release-blocker
bugs for
important issues.
7. Get the team closer to the Docs project; this team does a *great*
job and
the two teams have a lot in common and could share experience, tools
etc.
The L10N project shouts "I need resurrection" with all it's strength.
So, to
have something to hold onto, I copied the above points here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N/Tasks
Ideas, comments, suggestions?
-d
[1]:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=207095
Nice list Dimitris, I totally agree.
I would like to add one more thing: the biggest problem (IMHO) is the
fact that the L10N-project is way outside the Fedora devel-space
(cvs-wise). Lots of package maintainers know about our efforts here,
but just don't see it, because of the fact that they have to use two
cvs-accounts / trees. I know the plan is to get ourselves on
cvs.fp.org and maybe we should just go for it. So what do we want when
we do the migration??
An idea:
- -> get hooked up in the Fedora Account System, now people on l10n and
docs need 2 accounts to get work done, cut it down to 1
- -> get a seperate cvsroot on
cvs.fp.org with only .po / .pot -files.
- -> try to get into Jesse Keating's pungi, for l10n-inclusion (not so
sure if this is possible, if not just a hook in the build system)
- -> set up an sort of sponsor-managed cvs or dir in the cvsroot (as
extras, docs) so only language maintainers can commit (this may mean a
lot of pain for the maintainer, but gives more control) and those
files get into the build system
- -> (try to) migrate the web-interface and maybe add an
online-translation system to it, so we create a low barrier to the
project and thus more contributors + QA
- -> hook up a commit-mailinglist (or maybe just this one??)
- -> ....
Maybe we could call for a meeting with Fedora Infrastructure and Docs
when this list is ready and get this "issue" off our back :)
Bart
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